a few killings in montreal one of the victims was the cousin of joseph ducarme. What do you guys think,mafia retaliation or gang dispute.These guys are bloods and ducarme is a crip so maybe it was retaliation for the attempt on his life.

Is ducarme in jail still or is he out on the street?

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2012/08/20120812-151911.html

Numerous reports, even at the time of the Flaw-nego shootings, were alleging that Ducarme was both a blood and a crip. It seemed no one knew. In any event, he has ties to both groups. I'm not sure if he's out yet, but these 2 guys who were shot were top level guys who were recently released from prison (killing were territorial maybe?).

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There was an article in the Journal de Montreal tying these major shootings to Vito coming out of prison. Everyone tied to Vito in recent years has been eliminated. Could this be another case of "if you're tied to him in any way, you're done." Vito may have sought protection from these guys once out. These 2 guys have been used by Vito and Magi in the past for protection and shakedowns and were also tied to Nick the Ritz.

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2012/08/12/chef-de-gang-des-rouges-execute

Thanks vito, anyway you can translate that article to english please. If it was the people that are against the rizzutos why would they shoot his cousin when he was alledgely involved with killing rizzuto jr, wouldnt he be on their side.

Everyone tied to Vito in recent years has been eliminated. Could this be another case of "if you're tied to him in any way, you're done." Vito may have sought protection from these guys once out. These 2 guys have been used by Vito and Magi in the past for protection and shakedowns and were also tied to Nick the Ritz.

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2012/08/12/chef-de-gang-des-rouges-execute
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My first post but I think the above is incorrect. Magi is supposed to be the one who hired the guys who shot Nick Rizzuto Jr and some of the vicitims this weekend are tied to both him and the men suspected of shooting rizzuto jr. This seems more likely to be Rizzuto vengance or Magi trying to clean up his connections to the Rizzuto Jr shooting before Vito's out.

The Rizzuto's have been taking revenge for a while now. Nick Sr's half Brother's son (Colagero Milioto) was charged in the murder of Montagna. The last guy seen with George Renda (an associate of Montagna) before his disapperance was a Cun-terra. Everybody else asscoiated with Montagna been taken care of with the exception of Domenico Accuri who is supposed to be in hiding. All of the hits in the last year or so have been coming against those who opposed the rizzuto's. I would bet both Accuri and the Magi brothers end up in the obituary pages in the next little while.

There are a lot of Rizzzuto blood realtives and loyal assoicates left in Montreal. From what I can gather they are once again the top in Montreal and likely to only get stronger in the next while as Vito and other top people in his organization get out of jail.

I agree with these theories.



I'm not sure if Calogero Milioto is the son of Rizzuto Sr's half brother Liborio, who died a few years ago at aged 90-92, unless you could provide credible evidence to support this.

Hey Sonny,

I am not 100% sure if Calogero is Liberio's son or grandson but if you look at the book Mafia inc. and at the Rizzuto/Manno lineage at the beginning as well as pages 53-57 I think you can infer he is one of the 2. I was guessing he was Liberio's son from the age stated when he got arrested but looking back again its more likely it's his grandson as they all seem to start procreating pretty early.

Their family tree makes me dizzy and without a chart it's tough to write out but using the rule the Rizzuto/Manno/Renda family name their children after their parents and extrapolating down the Lineage of both Nick Sr and his half brother Liberio, I think it works out so that Liberio has a grandson named Calogero Miloto the same as Nick Sr. has a grandson Calogero Renda.

I could be wrong but I think one can say with a degree of confidence that Calogera Miloto is a blood relative of Nick Rizzuto Sr.

Scorsese,

Here is my summary of the article in English:

Headline: "Mafia mixed up in murders"

Many veteran Montreal mafiosi have been killed one by one in the last little while. This is a pre-curser that Vito Rizzuto is preparing his return to Montreal.

These assassinations have recently claimed the lived of two, maybe three, important actors in Montreal's street gangs. The leader of the "Bo Gars" (petty boys) group and leader of the "Bloods" Chenier Dupuy was part of that group. Lamartine Severe Paul was also assassinated. These killings weren't only an internal struggle for power, but were also linked to Montreal's mafia.

"I think it's a sign of a rise of violence that's to come from the mafia in Montreal in the coming months" explains Antonio Nicaso.

Also, "we can expect that the rise in violence is due to the return of Vito Rizzuto to Canada."

Dupuy and Severe weren't only close to each other, they had ties to the mafia in Montreal.

Maria Mourani, author and gang specialist in Montreal, shares Nicaso's opinion "Vito Rizzuto will soon return to Canada. They have to prepare their territory. But she goes further to day that it's very likely that these men were targeted due to their links to Rizzuto.

"They belong to a 'clic' of sorts, the clic of Joseph Ducarme. These men are enforcers for the Montreal mafia. The members of the this clic were under the orders of Tony Magi, a businessman with links to organized crime. Dupuy and Severe carried out orders from him in the name of the mafia.

This is the reason they were killed." This is Mourani's explanation, but she doesn't discredit other theories are out there as well.

Mourani also estimates that those who were close to Dupuy and Severe will be targeted very soon as well. "The members of the Joseph Ducarme clic seem targeted these days. The others risk being targeted as well. I will not be surprised that many of them walk around with more bodyguards."

Also, with respect to Giordano's comment "I would bet both Accuri and the Magi brothers end up in the obituary pages in the next little while." All I have to say is that would answer a lot, and I think you may be on to something if Nicaso and Mourani are right. Magi's been walking on a tight rope. How can a guy escape 2 attempts, have his wife escape an attempt, and still be alive to tell it?? Also, isn't going after his wife against LCN rules? That seems more like street gang to me. Any ideas?

According to this CTV News article:
http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/experts-ponder-gang-ties-to-weekend-shootings-1.912785

The third guy shot and killed in that spate of violence is a Mr. Riccardo Ruffolo, 34. I couldn't find a thing on him, but the article says he's a convicted drug dealer with slight ties to the Montreal Mafia, specifically Vincenzo Armeni, a drug dealer serving a 20 year prison term who is a known mafia associate/possible member.

More Info on Vincenzo Armeni:
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/ne...253&k=36206

Now that they've finally released the name of the 3rd weekend victim, I can see how journalists are drawing conclusions that there are links between the mafia and street gangs. When 2 high level gang leaders and an italian drug dealer are shot within hours of each other...

Good find. Who's heard of these guys Riccardo Ruffalo and Vincenzo Armeni?

This just in: another attempted murder in Montreal. No news on who was targeted at this hour. Downtown, on the corner of mayor and City Counsellor.

Also, La Presse reports that none other than Gregory Woolley, the first black Hells Angel in Quebec, wants to unite ALL gang activity. After doing 12 years in jail, he was released last year and has been working to change the culture of the Montreal gang scene. Sources say he finds it ridiculous that blacks are murdering blacks, and that the two men who were shot over the weekend were examples of guys that did things the old way. Dupuy claimed war on crips and Lamartine supported him. Sources close to these guys say that Dupuy's and Lamartine's groups will surely seek revenge for the murders.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/quebec...t-la-police.php

Wow, these updates change as fast as Joe Pesci's temper. Hell's Angels behind Dupuy murder. Falls in line with what La Presse was reporting with Gregory Woolley wanting to change things up.

The article states that after serving 20 months in prison, he got out in SPring 2012 looking to re-take some downtown territory. The Hells Angels took over that territory. Woolley got out in the summer of 2011 and began taking over. When Dupuy got out of prison, he was warned to stay away. When he refused, a contract was put out on his head. Knowing this, Montreal Police informed Dupuy of the contract. As Leader of a significant street gang, the Bo Gars, he didn't seem too concerned.

The article also states that Ruffolo's murder was not tied to the two others.

Very interesting, good finds! Funny how many moving parts their are in the Montreal underworld. This is the curse of being a port city I suppose.

I had suggested a few months ago on the real deal forum that Calogero Milioto may be related to Nick Rizzuto's half brother Liborio Milioto.

antimafia suggested to me that Calogero Milioto may be the son of Antonino Milioto, a Rizzuto associate.

I'll quote his post:

"I think this Calogero Milioto is the son of the Antonino Milioto (sometimes identified in articles as "Antonio") who got caught up several times for cocaine trafficking. Antonino and his sons Calogero and Tony are apparently well known in the Montreal underworld. A few months before Ennio Bruni was murdered in 2010, Bruni was involved in a minor skirmish with police. One of the people accompanying him was an Antonio Milioto.

For Calogero Milioto to be a grandson of Liborio, Liborio would had to have had at least one brother. If Calogero was a first-born male child, then you could probably rule out that he is Liborio's grandson, as Calogero would very likely have been named after his paternal grandfather."

antimafia states that Antonino Milioto had a son who was also named Antonino, or Antonio, who may likely have been Calogero's elder brother.

The website of Loreto lists an Antonino Milioto who passed away on September 12, 2010 at aged 47.

http://www.complexeloreto.com/obituaries.php?action=view&id=659

Paul Cherry of the Montreal Gazette had reported back on December 21, 2011, that the accused Calogero Milioto was an associate of the Rizzuto clan -- see

http://www.montrealgazette.com/opinion/R...2726/story.html

Cherry either knows this as a fact or he did not dig deep enough to determine whether Milioto was closely related to a Rizzuto clan member -- if Cherry had discovered the latter, this detail alone would have perhaps made clearer, for all of us watching the Montreal situation, whose side Di Maulo and Desjardins were/are on. (But, then again, think of the possible betrayal by Rizzuto clan member Domenico Arcuri Jr.) Milioto and his fellow accused Pietro Magistrale were identified in a December 2011 Journal de Montréal article as bodyguards for Desjardins.

For one to determine how Calogero Milioto may be related, if at all, to Nick Rizzuto Sr., you would have to know whether Calogero is the first-born male in his family, whether he has a brother who is the first-born male, what his father's name is, what his paternal grandfather's name is, and what his maternal grandfather's name is.

Nick Sr.'s grandson Calogero Renda (Paolo Renda's son) is named after Paolo Renda's father, Calogero Renda. Assuming Calogero Milioto is related to Liborio Milioto, Calogero's being named Calogero has no connection to Paolo Renda's son being given the first name Calogero. Liborio and Nick Sr. did not have the same father, and any relationship Liborio has to Calogero Milioto is very likely not a father-son relationship. We know that Liborio has a daughter named Maria who turned 64 this year and that he had three children. Any first-born male would almost certainly have been named Francesco since this is the name of Liborio's father. A second male child would have been named after the father of Liborio's wife -- if this grandfather was named Calogero, then the Calogero Milioto we are discussing would probably not be a blood relative of Nick Sr.

Bear in mind, as well, that Liborio Milioto chose a different path in life than Nick Sr. Perhaps I'm reading too much into the fact that Liborio's daughter married Filippo Rizzuto, the brother of deceased Senator Pietro Rizzuto, but I think that Liborio and his wife raised their children not to be like Nick Sr. and the rest of the clan.

Mob Boss Vito Rizzuto revenge fears

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Uwjt9ngCJY&feature=player_embedded

Antimafia and Sonny,

I could very well be wrong but I thought when I orginally checked this a few months ago, I had more than one source for the Rizzuto/Manno/Renda family tree as I thought that the 6th Family E book had a detailed family history also but when checking last night I couldn't find one at least easily. I have the orginal version hard copy also and maybe it's in there I will check again.

As for Di Maulo and Desjardins I have always thought their beef was with Franchesco Arcadi for having Johnny Bertolo killed. I think many in Montreal were unhappy with the Arcadi/Paulo Renda/Nick Sr and others administration after Vito was arrested as it sounds like money was no longer spread around but I don't think Di Maulo and Desjardin's beef is with Vito as Di Maulo was golfing with him in the Dominican months before Vito was arrested and Desjardins even after he went to jail the previous time still thought Vito was a stand up guy and said he would shake his hand when he got out. Things change though so who knows.

Whatever the situation is in Montreal now it really illustrates the charisma of Vito being able to keep things running smoothly for so many years.

Anti Mafia,

I am with you on Paul Cherry and Miloto as that would clarify the situation. He's a good reporter though and one of the only english guys writing anything on the situation.

Most of the reporters on this don't go back far enough and research old beefs and who's related to who. Everyone is just labelled as a an associate of Vito Rizzuto which is a blanket statement as everyone involved with the mafia in Montreal over the last 30 years could be associated with Rizzuto. It makes it look like everybody going down is on Rizzuto's side which I don't think has been right.

the only thing sure is that montagna was against rizzuto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJsm0IhsJfo&feature=related

Funny how things go full circle. Maybe we'll see Vito getting interview like this one day.

I think Paolo Violi's family could be added to that surety as well.



If he lives to tell the tale that is.

yes i was talking about the people surely involved in the current war

More Mob violence coming to Montreal: Experts


MONTREAL — The two street gang members assassinated here over the weekend had ties to the city’s Italian Mafia, and their deaths are precursors of more violence, experts tell QMI Agency.

Antonio Nicaso, author and expert on the Mafia in Canada, told QMI Agency that Montrealers can expect more violence in the weeks prior to the release of Vito Rizzuto from a Colorado prison.

Vito was the reputed leader of the Montreal’s Rizzuto crime family before he was jailed in the U.S. after pleading guilty to charges in connection with the 1981 murders of members of New York’s Bonnano Mafia clan.

He is scheduled for release in October.

“We should expect an increase in violence as Vito Rizzuto’s return date approaches,” Nicaso said.

Chenier Dupuy, 37, the reputed head of the Bo-Gars street gang, was shot dead Friday evening in east-end Montreal. Hours later, Lamartine Paul Severe, 42, who also had Bo-Gars ties, was shot dead outside his home north of the city.

Police also found a 30-year-old man shot dead in an apartment in central Montreal on Saturday afternoon, but while spokesman Daniel Fortier said investigators in all three cases “are collaborating,” police can’t confirm the three murders are related.

Maria Mourani, criminologist and Bloc Quebecois MP for a north Montreal riding, agreed with Nicaso.

“Vito Rizzuto is coming back to the country — the territory needs to be prepared,” she said.

Mourani told QMI that it is highly probable that Dupuy and Severe were targeted due to their Rizzuto links.

“These people are the Mafia’s hit men,” she said.

Mourani said Severe was allegedly under the orders of Tony Magi, a businessman with links to the Rizzutos. Magi survived an assassination attempt in 2008.

Several members of the Rizzuto family have been murdered over the past several years.

Crime experts have told QMI Agency that since the fall of the Rizzuto clan, which reportedly had a firm grasp over the city’s crime underworld since the late ’70s, a power vacuum has been created.

The string of assassinations and restaurant fire-bombings across the island since 2009 are signs that no one group is in charge, experts tell QMI Agency.

Heres an earlier article about the bo-gars gang that dupuy was the leader of.
Bo-Gars just wont go away

Also one exploring the gregory wooley angle.
police try to calm mafia war fears after multiple killings.

if street gangs leaders are under the orders of tony magi, magi is surely under the orders of somebody else

i dont know much about french and cananda but what the hell is a bo-gars. all they have to do ii get the death pen up there and you'll see the killing end cause nobody wants the needle if your rich guy living a good life, there would be alot of retired mobsters up there over night.

By Eric Thibault ,QMI Agency

First posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:58 PM

MONTREAL - Reputed street-gang kingpin "Big" Chenier Dupuy, who was assassinated last week, violently rejected a partnership offer from the Hells Angels prior to his murder, sources tell QMI Agency.

Dupuy, 37, was shot to death Friday as he was sitting in a parked car with another man at an east-end shopping centre. An associate was shot and killed hours later.

Police believe Dupuy is the head of the Bo-Gars street gang, a Mafia-linked outfit whose members also reportedly claim allegiance to the well-known Bloods street gang in the U.S.

A source says Dupuy had slapped a rival gang leader in the face last month during a Hells-sponsored summit north of Montreal aimed at uniting several street gangs under the Hells banner.

He reportedly stormed out of the meeting along with colleague Lamartine Severe Paul, vowing never to work with the Hells. Both men were immediately marked for death, QMI learned from police sources and gang associates.

The summit meeting was organized by Gregory Wooley, a protege of jailed Hells boss Maurice "Mom" Boucher. Wooley, one of the few Hells Angels of African descent, is the reputed leader of the Syndicates, a street gang formed by the Hells at the height of its bloody 1990s biker war with the Rock Machine.

"Like many veterans of the Bloods, Chenier said he wanted no part of (Wooley)," said an associate of Dupuy, who describes the slain gang leader as "a brother."

"He (said he) would never work for the bikers or their d--- suckers," added the friend, an apparent reference Wooley's Syndicates.

Dupuy's associate confirmed that Wooley was the one who Chenier had slapped, in full view of everyone, during the gang summit at a bar in Sainte-Adele, north of Montreal.

The bad blood worsened in the weeks following the summit. Dupuy confronted Wooley a second time at the Solid Gold strip club in Montreal.

Dupuy had escaped a shootout at the same club in 2008.

The Bo-Gars leader also reportedly beat up a Syndicates member in front of a Montreal car dealership.

Police then warned Dupuy that there was a price on his head.

Days later, he was dead.

The above article is accurate on all accounts. I've read the same through various french papers.

Gregory Woolley is no one to F with. He has ties to everyone and is feared, well respected and very well connected. He's been rallying to tie all street gangs under one umbrella since his release in 2011. These Reds recently got out and tried to re-take their territory and thought themselves unstoppable. Who were they kidding?

I wonder if Larry Amero's presence in Montreal recently had anything to do with the meeting Woolley called in July to discuss the potential merger, and subsequent murders.

Also, this JDM article states that the meeting was held in St-Adele, in the Laurentians, at a bar called the Bourbon Street Club.

http://m.journaldemontreal.com/2012/08/15/-ca-va-frapper-fort-

My google translator came up with an iffy translation of that article. Though it mentioned something interesting, the fight in front of the John Scotti dealership. John Scotti runs a bunch of dealerships where he sells used, classic and exotic cars.

John Scotti may also have some questionable friends...



Source Montreal Gazette September 19, 2008