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John Roselli Kennedy assassination #658593
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Do you think that John Roselli was the actual gunman behind the assassination of JFK. This was in Bill Bonanno's autobiography.
New York mob boss Bill Bonanno claimed in his autobiography that while he was imprisoned with Roselli, he spoke to him about the Kennedy assassination. Roselli allegedly told Bonanno that he had fired a shot from a storm drain located on Elm Street in Dallas.

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I just finished the 2011 miniseries "The Kennedy's" on netflix, and it was implied in there that because of doing Chicago mobster Sam Giancana wrong after the 1960 election, that he was pissed at both robert and john kennedy for attacking him after he helped them win the election.....the only thing I don't understand if Roselli helped or whoever, that with all these dying mobsters or imprisoned mobsters or former CIA agents, why doesnt someone come up with absolute proof that they helped or planned or where there, kind of like Jimmy Hoffa disappearance....I mean a zillion mobsters have flipped so this wouldn't be a stretch to talk about this.

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Originally Posted By: merlino
I just finished the 2011 miniseries "The Kennedy's" on netflix, and it was implied in there that because of doing Chicago mobster Sam Giancana wrong after the 1960 election, that he was pissed at both robert and john kennedy for attacking him after he helped them win the election.....the only thing I don't understand if Roselli helped or whoever, that with all these dying mobsters or imprisoned mobsters or former CIA agents, why doesnt someone come up with absolute proof that they helped or planned or where there, kind of like Jimmy Hoffa disappearance....I mean a zillion mobsters have flipped so this wouldn't be a stretch to talk about this.


Not absolute proof just any proof imo this is one of the weakest jfk conspiracies. When i looked at your title i thought a guy called jrk ha been assassinated .

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there were not turncoats at that time and anyway if really cia and politicians are involved i doubt the truth would emerge even in the future all the people could know something were killed or died and if somebody is still alive he wouldnt talk about

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I don't think so. Thought I watched something where they said it was almost impossible for someone to shoot of that drain.

There have been so many rumblings about Chicago being involved with the Kennedy assassination, that I sort of stopped listening to most of them.

IIRC, Chicago was involved with the bay of pigs invasion, so there is some documented connection between the CIA and Chicago.

Did Chicago play a small part in conspiracy? Perhaps. Will there ever be any proof? Probably not.

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But if Sammy the bull and calabrese junior that ran their mouths must have heard something if it was true that the mob was involved and they havent so...its a stretch if the mob was involved at all

Re: John Roselli Kennedy assassination [Re: merlino] #658814
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Originally Posted By: merlino
But if Sammy the bull and calabrese junior that ran their mouths must have heard something if it was true that the mob was involved and they havent so...its a stretch if the mob was involved at all


How would they know? Sammy would've been 17 or something and Frank would've been younger.

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the only people who knows about are those involved but i doubt they would talk about

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I think there was possibly a conspiracy but i don't believe the mafia had anything to do with it

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i think the mafia was involved in the murders of john and bobby kennedy like in the murder of enrico mattei in that period

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I think Bonanno is full it crap. He wants the Mafia to take credit for killing a man he thought deserved to die. It's all delusions of grandeur.

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So far there have been claims that one of three different sets of shooters did the JFK job:
1. Johnny Roselli, Jimmy Frattiano and and some non-italian that worked for Rocco Fischetti. (Forget his name)
2. Three Corsican shooters with ties to the Marseilles French Connection.
3. Three CIA operatives organized by LBJ, E. Howard Hunt and Cord Meyer: the possible names are David Phillips, Frank Sturgis, David Morales, William Harvey, a French gunman, and Lucien Sarti, who worked for the Mafia.
The public still does not know which of the three did it.
Take your pick.
Supposedly, the three teams each consisted of a shooter and a spotter (responsible for disposing of the gun afterwards.)


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Here´s a pretty convincing video made by Bob Harris saying that at least one bullet was fired from the Daltex Building (not the building Lee Harvey Oswald was in) and struck JFK.
I´m not saying the Mafia was involved in killing JFK, but If what Bob Harris is saying in this video is true, then there certainly was a conspracy to kill JFK. And I belive Oswald was part of it. In addition to the shooter in the Daltex Building, numerous of witnesse also heard shots coming from behind a fence on the famous grassy knoll.



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Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Here´s a pretty convincing video made by Bob Harris saying that at least one bullet was fired from the Daltex Building (not the building Lee Harvey Oswald was in) and struck JFK.
I´m not saying the Mafia was involved in killing JFK, but If what Bob Harris is saying in this video is true, then there certainly was a conspracy to kill JFK. And I belive Oswald was part of it. In addition to the shooter in the Daltex Building, numerous of witnesse also heard shots coming from behind a fence on the famous grassy knoll.




The mafia conspiracy was a bullet fired from a drain . I

believe there was possibly a conspiracy but of all i've heard

the mafias probably the weakest. It's based on assumptions that

the kennedys promised to lay off the mafia for their help in

fixing the 1960 vote in Illinois. Obviously we know that RFK

was tougher on them than anyone before him. The only other thin

that people use to tie the mob to JFK is their links to the cia.

Who knows it could've been but i think it's alot weaker than

any other conspiracy or even lho on his own.

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i think the mafia had good motivations to kill him and his brother, the mafia was at its peak at that time
the fact kennedy was tough on the mafia meand nothing, maybe he took the votes and they betray them
of course the mafia if involved was not alone, but it planned the murder togheter with politicians, member of cia or some oil boss
according to an informant in the sicilian mafia, enrico mattei was murdered coz some american oil bosses wanted him dead and he said the murder of mattei is linked in a way or another to kennedy murder
but who's knows

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Originally Posted By: m2w
i think the mafia had good motivations to kill him and his brother, the mafia was at its peak at that time
the fact kennedy was tough on the mafia meand nothing, maybe he took the votes and they betray them
of course the mafia if involved was not alone, but it planned the murder togheter with politicians, member of cia or some oil boss
according to an informant in the sicilian mafia, enrico mattei was murdered coz some american oil bosses wanted him dead and he said the murder of mattei is linked in a way or another to kennedy murder
but who's knows


They certainly had motivation but there's nothing substantial linking them unlike some other theories . Imo its purely based on assumption .

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of course there is not any substantial proof, were talking about the murder of the united states president by the way, its logic the people involved and not the mafia only but sure some politicians and cia members planned it perfectly
there were not mafia turncoats at that time and all the people surely involved (oswald, ruby etc.) killed or died

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I have been hearing for years that the govt knows who did it and why and all this information will be released at the 100 yr anniversary of the assassination after everyone and their next generation are gone. I will be 101 years old. I will fill you in with updates. LOL

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Many People who knew something were murdered and their murders were made to look like a mistake or suicide. The Chicago Outfit, Trafficante family and New Orleans family, the CIA, the Anti-Castro Cubans, and Southern politicians were all involved. They all hated JFK and joined to take him out. You think Jack Ruby killed Oswald because he was mad he killed the president? Yeah sure! lol. Ruby was asked to. By who? We will know once the people involved in the JFK killing within our friendly Government are all dead. They say it will be about 2029 when they open the files.

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Originally Posted By: m2w
of course there is not any substantial proof, were talking about the murder of the united states president by the way, its logic the people involved and not the mafia only but sure some politicians and cia members planned it perfectly
there were not mafia turncoats at that time and all the people surely involved (oswald, ruby etc.) killed or died


Fair enough i see your point. All i was saying was possibly the cia or politicians had something to do with it but i don't give much credit to the mafia being involved. But again who knows .

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Originally Posted By: sammyd20
I have been hearing for years that the govt knows who did it and why and all this information will be released at the 100 yr anniversary of the assassination after everyone and their next generation are gone. I will be 101 years old. I will fill you in with updates. LOL


I will be slightly younger than you at that point. So your updates will be much appreciated... smile
Welcome to the boards, Sammy!


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The mob and cia were connected since world war II so...after 2 decades they were still connected,on one occasion the fbi found boxes with the cia logo and equipment at Giancana's house but after the Kennedy hit and the Giancana/Roselli hits the connection was terminated,,years after that a plane of the cia full of cocaine crashed down,just an exemple that they didnt need any help from the mob after that


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I spent a good deal of time researching Traficante's ties to the assassination. Through all the conjecture and (always enjoyable) conspiracy theories there are some undeniable facts:

Jack Ruby visited Santo Trafficante in Triscornia prison in Cuba in 1959 along with Lewis McWillie, a Trafficante associate who worked at the Sans Souci.

Ruby was involved with the Dallas family, esp the Campisis

JOhnny Roselli was heavily involved with JMWAVE and anti-Castro operations in South Florida- he had definite ties to the intelligence community.

The CIA utilized Cuban gangsters in Bay of Pigs and other operations. Some of these Cubans went to work for Trafficante (the early Cuban Mafia in Miami).

Trafficante was "hired" by the CIA to kill Castro.

JOhnny Roselli did NOT kill Kennedy.

THere are loads of more coincidences, connections, and crimes associated with the Kennedy assassination that tie back to the Trafficante,Marcello, and some tangential ties to THe Outfit. It's an intriguing rabbit hole to fall down.

Safe to say that the Mafia, as a whole, did not kill Kennedy. Certain mobsters, however, were neck deep in anti-Castro activities (and possibly pro-Castro spying). The Cuba nexus (including these said gangsters) is IMO the most probable phantom behind the assassination.

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right that the mafia as a whole didnìt kill kennedy, but i'm sure that if trafficante and marcello were involved the new york bosses knew the plan too

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maybe the mob had a small part in this, but i doubt they were the ones directly responsible. that blame should fall on whatever shadow government agency got the go ahead. the fact is that this wasn't like in the days of lincoln where someone could just walk right up to the president and shoot him easily,(although possible,look at reagan) lots of planning had to go into it. it had to have been an inside job as the security was top notch at this point in time and regardless what you believe, the official story just has too many holes in it.


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of course the mafia has a minor role in this kind of murder, but i wouldn't sursprised it's involved
according to a sicilian mafia informant who kills kennedy are the same who wanted enrico mattei dead, who was the head of the national italian petroleum company and died in a plan crash in 1962
recently inquiries showed somebody put a bomb in the plane
according to some informants the mafia was involved in the mattei's murder, they did it to do a favour to somebody in the states
behind the murder there's some texas petroleum lobby and probably even behind kennedy one

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Originally Posted By: ScottD
I spent a good deal of time researching Traficante's ties to the assassination. Through all the conjecture and (always enjoyable) conspiracy theories there are some undeniable facts:

Jack Ruby visited Santo Trafficante in Triscornia prison in Cuba in 1959 along with Lewis McWillie, a Trafficante associate who worked at the Sans Souci.

Ruby was involved with the Dallas family, esp the Campisis

JOhnny Roselli was heavily involved with JMWAVE and anti-Castro operations in South Florida- he had definite ties to the intelligence community.

The CIA utilized Cuban gangsters in Bay of Pigs and other operations. Some of these Cubans went to work for Trafficante (the early Cuban Mafia in Miami).

Trafficante was "hired" by the CIA to kill Castro.







Scott did you ever have the chance to interview Frank Ragano or his son regarding this issue? I thought I read somewhere that an initial assassination plot of JFK was to take place in Tampa. All of this could be BS from Ragano. Just seeing if you have any first hand knowledge thanks

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Originally Posted By: merlino
Originally Posted By: ScottD
I spent a good deal of time researching Traficante's ties to the assassination. Through all the conjecture and (always enjoyable) conspiracy theories there are some undeniable facts:

Jack Ruby visited Santo Trafficante in Triscornia prison in Cuba in 1959 along with Lewis McWillie, a Trafficante associate who worked at the Sans Souci.

Ruby was involved with the Dallas family, esp the Campisis

JOhnny Roselli was heavily involved with JMWAVE and anti-Castro operations in South Florida- he had definite ties to the intelligence community.

The CIA utilized Cuban gangsters in Bay of Pigs and other operations. Some of these Cubans went to work for Trafficante (the early Cuban Mafia in Miami).

Trafficante was "hired" by the CIA to kill Castro.







Scott did you ever have the chance to interview Frank Ragano or his son regarding this issue? I thought I read somewhere that an initial assassination plot of JFK was to take place in Tampa. All of this could be BS from Ragano. Just seeing if you have any first hand knowledge thanks


I interviewed his son, and talk to him often. He's a really good guy and successful attorney in Tampa.

The Tampa assassination attempt did not come from Ragano. That was featured in the book Ultimate Sacrifice. There was a tip to law enforcement that Kennedy was supposed to be killed in Tampa back in '63. The expansive theory in the book brings in the mob angle via Traf, Marcello, and GIancana. It's a reliable theory IMO.

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Scott D,
Thanks that is really cool...not sure if you have or not you need to get on Bubba or Cowhead show and talk about this stuff one day.

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Let me tell you the real person behind JFK'S assassination. I did a talk with Daniel Bonanno who is Joe Bonanno's son. Daniel had said that his father had a talk with him in the early 2001 when he was aged about 96 or 95. Joseph Bonanno had said that he was the main guy behind the JFK assassination due to the fact, JFK was too much of a risk to Cosa Nostra and he was a government guy. Joseph Bonanno had 5 hitmen incase the main Hitman missed and failed. Joseph sent 1 guy from the Five Families so if it went wrong that guy and his family would be blamed for the fault so it would be clear who did it. Roselli also played along with Joe Bonanno, Joe thought of this idea and Roselli planned it all out. Wikipedia is all wrong but Cosa Nostra, Wikipedia is only linked to Newspaper and Website articles by references.

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