Maybe later I'll make a gambino family vs genovese family thread.

Other than Gambinos having control over IBT Local 813, I'm not sure what would make them stronger than the Genovese in garbage. They seemed to cover about equal ground. It certainly seems that way when you read Takedown.The Genovese controlled the garbage local in Jersey, as well as Laborers Local 958 (also a garbage local). Let's not forget about Allie Shades. He was the Genovese counterpart to Jimmy Brown. Failla controlled Queens County Trade Waste Association and the Trade Waste Removers of Greater New York. Malangone controlled the Kings County Trade Waste Association and the Greater New York Waste Paper Association.



For the record, Matty Ianneillo's crew also had interests in the garment center. And the last mob bust in the garment center, back in 1997, involved the Lucchese, Gambino, and Genovese families.

A related question to this threads topic might be: Have the Colombos always been the weakest?

Are they very connected to the mafia in Canada? Are the Genovese? I know that it was a Bonanno dominated area for a long time, but are they still top dog after the events of the past few years? Do you know if anyone in American LCN is connected to the 'Ndrangheta in Canada? Is any family outside of the five families connected to Canada or Italy at all?

Anyone know what his status his today?

Capo? Active?

Personally, the main reason why I classify the Genoveses as being the most influential was that the other families would always use the Genoveses as their liaison with the Commission. Gambino may have been first among equals and maybe even Castellano and Gotti afterwards, but they were just individuals. For the most part, the Genoveses as a whole were looked at with more respect by the non-NY families.

But like you said, it's mainly just a matter of personal opinion.

Ok. So maranzano was the last boss of bosses I agree with that. I see what you guys mean by that now. But you say what I say is opinion when everything you say about the genovese is opinion as well. Just because its in quotes doesn't mean it's fact. Most aficionado's would say during their primes the Gambino's were the most powerful. And how can you say that they've never supplanted them? That's your OPINION. You don't know how much money the Genovese's had.

Ill quote the book Takedown:Fall of the last mafia empire

Page 198

"you have to keep in mind that although the Genovese and gambino crime families were pretty much on par with each other in terms of overall power and clout in the city, within the city's private sanitation industry , the gambino faction ALWAYS had the loudest voice"

the argument for both the gambino and genovese families is both pretty strong. I forgot about allie shades, he certainly is a powerhouse in garbage for the genovese and certainly a worthy counterpart to jimmy brown failla.

I do disagree with some of the other posters statements in saying that the genovese family didnt have a good boss; chin gigante was a great boss when he was on the street. his institution of such a high level of secrecy still permeates that family today. chin gigante mad tons of money and was definitely successful in maneuvering his family

From what I can tell, the Genovese family has always been #1, the Gambinos have always been #2 (though one could argue 1A at certain times), while the three smaller families have fluctuated around over the years.



It's primarily the Bonannos that have the links to Canada. Besides the NY families, other families such as New Jersey, Philadelphia, and a few others have had connections to Italy as well over the years.



Alan Longo was indicted as the official captain of that crew back in the early 2000's so I'm not sure what his status is now.



That's what I keep getting at. You have to look at the family as a whole, not just whoever may be the boss at a certain point. The whole point about an organized crime family is it transcends just one guy, even the boss.



First, you've already demonstrated you're hardly in a position to speak for any aficionados. Second, no, I never saw their bank accounts, but it seems the Genovese were considered wealthier than the Gambinos; even when the Gambinos were the larger family. You can also look at their respective rackets in both New York and elsewhere, their national influence, etc. over the years. It seems to me that you've just read the typical books about the Gambinos and not looked into things more deeply. I used to think the same thing about the Gambinos being #1 before I learned more.



That's a good find but, by "loudest," does Cowan mean the most well known or the most influential. Because I won't argue the Gambinos have always been a louder family than the Genovese.



It's ironic (and telling) that they're saying this because no family has had a more consistent and bigger supply of capable leaders than the Genovese family. It's a primary reason why they've been able to maintain their top status for so many years.

It says within the private sanitation industry

I'll quote again
"so far I had gotten nowhere near the biggest catch in the investigation, the powerful gambino Assocation"

"always the loudest voice.......to understand why that was , you have to back to the good old days, Back when "a guy could get his head blown off for nothin" back when a tiny empire builder, the newspapers called the little king.....jimmy squillante"

Between 1944 and 1994 only the 2 Jimmy's ran the private sanitation rackets for the gambinos, jimmy brown and jimmy squillante

Allied shades an equal to jimmy brown
Shit , Jimmy brown was running the private sanatation industry, when malangone was a street hood, 20 years before he would even get made

I don't know if I would say Genovese was bad. He was ruthless and cunning, surrounded himself with capable subordinates (Catena, Miranda, Lombardo) and groomed a future boss in Chin.

Perhaps he made some enemies along the way and was more than a little reckless, but that's part of what helped make the family the powerhouse of the New York mafia along with the Gambinos. When he went to prison the family was left in more than capable hands to the individuals mentioned above, setting the stage for the family's future secrecy and success at evading law enforcement that it still holds today.

Obviously I was kidding about the gambino family vs genovese family thread dellacroce lol. And no you are going by your opinion ivy. How can you say that they were considered wealthier? How does that work? The Gambino's were considered wealthier and more powerful. Being "considered" and in reality are two different things though. And like it said you haven't seen their bank accounts. So you don't know. Nobody does except them.

Wow!!! I can't believe I wasted my time reading through this thread. I guess its like watching a trainwreck,....you can't look away. You fuckers like IvyLeague are absolutely fucking pathetic. I find it hard to believe that a person can be such a stonato that he spends hours and hours debating who's bigger and badder, the Gambinos or Genovese. I just can't understand why the fuck it matters that much, and also to you pathetic losers, keep on debating while I and the rest of the world, mobbed up or not, go out and make money instead of talking with other complete fucking morons about who's the best!?!?!? Really, get fucking hold of your life and start living one instead of being a mob groupie and living in a fucking fantasy world. I mean really take an objective look/read through some of these topics and where theg go and how fucking long they go on for! It is truly pathetic and judging by content, its probably best that most of you stay here and continue your pathetic daliances. You're doing a great job of shelving yourselves because God knows you'd fucking fail in the life. I knew I was going to be entertained by alot of idiots here. I wasn't wrong. You people make me embarassed to even have a small reading interest in the mob. Otherwise my life is living it, not fantasizing like MOST of the peons here. Ramble on as your words aren't worth ten paper clips, I don't give a fuck how many quotes you present, books you've fucking read. I'm done here. This website is a fucking complete joke.

Wow!!! I can't believe I wasted my time reading through this thread. I guess its like watching a trainwreck,....you can't look away. You fuckers like IvyLeague are absolutely fucking pathetic. I find it hard to believe that a person can be such a stonato that he spends hours and hours debating who's bigger and badder, the Gambinos or Genovese. I just can't understand why the fuck it matters that much, and also to you pathetic losers, keep on debating while I and the rest of the world, mobbed up or not, go out and make money instead of talking with other complete fucking morons about who's the best!?!?!? Really, get fucking hold of your life and start living one instead of being a mob groupie and living in a fucking fantasy world. I mean really take an objective look/read through some of these topics and where theg go and how fucking long they go on for! It is truly pathetic and judging by content, its probably best that most of you stay here and continue your pathetic daliances. You're doing a great job of shelving yourselves because God knows you'd fucking fail in the life. I knew I was going to be entertained by alot of idiots here. I wasn't wrong. You people make me embarassed to even have a small reading interest in the mob. Otherwise my life is living it, not fantasizing like MOST of the peons here. Ramble on as your words aren't worth ten paper clips, I don't give a fuck how many quotes you present, books you've fucking read. I'm done here. This website is a fucking complete joke.

For me, Don Carlo is the greatest boss ever for reasons already known. Shadowy, no jail time, rivaled the Genovese Family some say surpassed it at SOME point. He appointed Paul Castellano and maybe he thought that was better than appointing a hot head like Dellacroce (Dellacroce was feuding with the insane Galante!) I'm sure he had his reasons, and I'm sure Paul felt a little isolated and overwhelmed once Carlo was gone. He lacked real protection, but he couldn't cave in either and show he was weak.

As for the Gambinos ever surpassing the Genovese, I highly doubt that. Rivaled, perhaps, albeit not for long. Guys like Luciano, Costello and Genovese headed that family way back. All all-stars against the weaker Mangano, Anastasia but powerful Gambino...

Ivy: Do you keep those Gambino quotes saved on your computer? I think you've used them a hundred times on this board

As for the Gambinos ever surpassing the Genovese, I highly doubt that. Rivaled, perhaps, albeit not for long. Guys like Luciano, Costello and Genovese headed that family way back. All all-stars against the weaker Mangano, Anastasia but powerful Gambino...

It's primarily the Bonannos that have the links to Canada.

The Gambinos as well. I speculate that as of today the Gambinos have the strongest links to Canada, notably Ontario.

Again, while a good argument can be made that the Gambinos rivaled the Genovese for about 35 years (from the late 1950's to early 1990's), there is really little to no evidence that they ever supplanted them.

Ivy: Do you keep those Gambino quotes saved on your computer? I think you've used them a hundred times on this board

Not sure how powerful the Gambinos are today, but it's uncommon for a family gaining power under a shared leadership. Usually that means a lack of a strong individual ready to step into the head position.

The Gambinos as well. I speculate that as of today the Gambinos have the strongest links to Canada, notably Ontario.

What happened in the late 1950s that suddenly made the Gambinos rivaling the Genoveses for the number one spot? Just because Carlo took over all of a sudden they became a force to be reckoned with? I think both families as rivals goes back to the days of D 'Aquila and Masseria. So if you have to choose a timeframe I'd say the 1920s to the early 1990s.

Why do you say that?

I think the Genovese was the most powerful from the earliest days up to the late 1950's, with the Gambinos being a strong #2. Around that time, you had Vito Genovese indicted and convicted, not just Carlo Gambino taking over. I don't think the Gambinos started to rival the Genovese overnight but one could argue the Gambinos began to rival them (being #1A) in the 1960's...through the 1970's and 1980's...and to the early 1990's.

As you've said yourself, Genovese's arrest didn't affect the family much and I don't see how it suddenly made the Gambinos strong enough to be 1a if they weren't that already, unless you could expand upon it.

I think the Genovese was the most powerful from the earliest days up to the late 1950's, with the Gambinos being a strong #2.

I was under the impression that the Mangano/Anastasia family was small before Carlo took over and expanded the rackets.

Were they really stronger than the Profaci, Lucchese and Bonanno clans back then?