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Tommy shots acquitted of murder of nypd officer #646706
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He was found guilty of racketeering and other charges but acquitted in the murder of the police officer

Re: Tommy shots acquitted of murder of nypd officer [Re: FaticoWestIslip] #646710
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Wow, so no life sentence? I bet the Gov was shocked


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It's better news for Saracino than it is for Gioeli. Gioeli is 59 years old and in very poor health. A twenty year sentence for racketeering will probably be equal to life for him. But Saracino is only 40 years old. He'll be close to an old man when he gets out, but it's better than doing life.


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Good. Was that cop allegedly a dirty cop, what was he doing around wiseguys? Did he just get caught in the crossfire?


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Re: Tommy shots acquitted of murder of nypd officer [Re: DickNose_Moltasanti] #646716
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Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Good. Was that cop allegedly a dirty cop, what was he doing around wiseguys? Did he just get caught in the crossfire?


from all indications he was just caught in the crossfire

who is that in your avatar?


Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife?
Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.


Re: Tommy shots acquitted of murder of nypd officer [Re: FaticoWestIslip] #646719
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Thomas (Tommy Shots) Gioeli was found guilty in Brooklyn Federal Court of plotting two gangland murders from the early 1990s, and conspiring to kill members of a rival faction during the Colombo War.

But he and Dino (Little Dino) Saracino beat the rap on all the slayings they were charged with, including the hit on Colombo underboss William (Wild Bill) Cutolo in 1999.

Prosecutors had charged that Gioeli, 59, and Saracino, 40, were part of the team that conspired to pump seven bullets into off-duty NYPD cop Ralph Dols in August 1999.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/thom...1#ixzz1uOfewwKM


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Re: Tommy shots acquitted of murder of nypd officer [Re: DickNose_Moltasanti] #646720
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Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Good. Was that cop allegedly a dirty cop, what was he doing around wiseguys? Did he just get caught in the crossfire?

Study before you post, Dicknose. The cop wasn't dirty, but he married the ex-wife of a mob captain (Joel Cacace), and for that he was murdered.

And keep in mind that she was Cacace's EX-WIFE. It's not like he was fooling around with a married woman.


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i think these guys might still get life? RICO conspiracy to commit murder...

any RICO legal experts want to weigh in?


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Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.


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Pizzaboy put your glasses on, I was asking a question asshole

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Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Good. Was that cop allegedly a dirty cop, what was he doing around wiseguys? Did he just get caught in the crossfire?

Study before you post, Dicknose. The cop wasn't dirty, but he married the ex-wife of a mob captain (Joel Cacace), and for that he was murdered.

And keep in mind that she was Cacace's EX-WIFE. It's not like he was fooling around with a married woman.


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Re: Tommy shots acquitted of murder of nypd officer [Re: DickNose_Moltasanti] #646725
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Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Pizzaboy put your glasses on, I was asking a question asshole

No, you posted that it was "Good" that Gioeli was acquitted for killing the cop without knowing what the cop did to deserve his fate. Now that you know, do you still feel that way?


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Yeah I'm glad he was acquitted. A cop is only as good as his informant(McNulty The Wire) and how do a lot of people feel about informants. I didn't watch that case as closely as you did, but I just think what the feds are bolshit.
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Pizzaboy put your glasses on, I was asking a question asshole

No, you posted that it was "Good" that Gioeli was acquitted for killing the cop without knowing what the cop did to deserve his fate. Now that you know, do you still feel that way?


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Re: Tommy shots acquitted of murder of nypd officer [Re: FaticoWestIslip] #646733
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Looks like Tommy can get anywhere from time served to 20 years. And Little Dino time served to 100 years


They were both cleared in connection to the infamous Aug. 25, 1997 slaying of NYPD officer Ralph Dols.
Gioeli and Saracino were convicted on lesser charges -- three murder conspiracies on “Tommy Shots” and a single murder conspiracy on “Little Dino.”
Gioeli was convicted of planning the slayings of mob rivals John Minerva on March 25, 1992, Frank “Chestnut” Marasa on June 12, 1991, and other unnamed crime figures in a bloody Colombo civil war. But he beat the rap on more serious charges that he gave the final order to have them rubbed out.
Saracino was convicted of conspiring to hit Michael Burnside, who was suspected of killing "Little Dino’s" brother. Saracino was also convicted on several other charges, including extortion, witness tampering and obstruction of justice.
Gioeli stands to get anything from time served to 20 years in prison, and Saracino time served to 100 years when they’re sentenced. There was no date set for sentencing as defense lawyers planned their appeals.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/reput...I#ixzz1uPxk5KUl

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Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife?
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Re: Tommy shots acquitted of murder of nypd officer [Re: DickNose_Moltasanti] #646735
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Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Pizzaboy put your glasses on, I was asking a question asshole


Incredible how some people never learn. You come here and tell a tale of woe and Geoff, through the goodness of his heart agrees to let you back since you promised you'd behave.

You're back here one week and you're up to your old shit again. What do we do with you? You're not a man of your word; you don't care about the board rules and you're a trouble maker.

What do we do with you???


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Re: Tommy shots acquitted of murder of nypd officer [Re: FaticoWestIslip] #646740
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I was joking with PB, for I've participated in a few discussions with him the past week. I wasn't try to be hostile with anyone, I apologize if it came off like that.


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Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
I was joking with PB, for I've participated in a few discussions with him the past week. I wasn't try to be hostile with anyone, I apologize if it came off like that.

Calling someone an asshole on the BB is hostile, so think about that for the next week while I think about what to do with you.



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Re: Tommy shots acquitted of murder of nypd officer [Re: FaticoWestIslip] #646760
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He also celebrated the death of an honorable cop. He's got good info on shit in Philly, but there's others here from over there who post more informative shit


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Re: Tommy shots acquitted of murder of nypd officer [Re: FaticoWestIslip] #646764
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Holy sh*t, this did not turn out as I thought it would. Any thoughts on why there's been an acquittal? Is it just because the jury didn't buy Dino Calabro's testimony?

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Originally Posted By: Chopper2012
Holy sh*t, this did not turn out as I thought it would. Any thoughts on why there's been an acquittal? Is it just because the jury didn't buy Dino Calabro's testimony?


pretty much, the prosecution rested on the testimony of all the cooperators including joey caves and big dino, the jury convicted them of rico murder conspiracy, three for tommy, one for little dino. there was no real physical evidence to tie the guys to the murders

i wonder how this verdict will fare for joel cacace's upcoming trial on the cop hit

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hey the bottom line is more and more jurys are not believing rats that have a long conviction past that the feds continuosly try to use to get convictions

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I think Dino Calabro being such a vile piece of shit helped Gioeli out the most. Calabro admitted to doing all types of sick shit like torturing animals, banging the wives/girl frinds of guys he killed, beating up his wife, etc. The FBI tactics were also disgusting, like using Calabros wife to steal stuff from Gioeli's house, she was also banging the lead FBI guy on the case. Say what you want about Gioeli, but his blog makes some excellent commentary on the state of affairs in the US today, especially the justice system and media. He needs to keep blogging.

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These are some good listens:

Tommy Gioeli's BOP Prison Number

http://chirb.it/zvhfID

Frankie Blue Eyes Too Corrupt For Team America

http://chirb.it/kC6MbE

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Originally Posted By: southphilly old head
hey the bottom line is more and more jurys are not believing rats that have a long conviction past that the feds continuosly try to use to get convictions


That's exactly right. People see through them. They are just trying to get a book deals or a B movie made about them. The government will keep losing cases as long as they keep basing their cases on rats.


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Originally Posted By: Vigil
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hey the bottom line is more and more jurys are not believing rats that have a long conviction past that the feds continuosly try to use to get convictions


That's exactly right. People see through them. They are just trying to get a book deals or a B movie made about them. The government will keep losing cases as long as they keep basing their cases on rats.


I hope so... there's no excuse for sloppy police work

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Originally Posted By: southphilly old head
hey the bottom line is more and more jurys are not believing rats that have a long conviction past that the feds continuosly try to use to get convictions


That's exactly right. People see through them. They are just trying to get a book deals or a B movie made about them. The government will keep losing cases as long as they keep basing their cases on rats.


I hope so... there's no excuse for sloppy police work


Me too.


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this post been going on forever but when does mike persico and theo , tommy shots and this bf guererra get there time they all beat the rico game its been like a year for some. tommy shots Michael and frank beat like 12 murders good lawyers or bad liars. I really wonder did the persico get free passes actually all of them?

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todays his sentencing day probably around 2pm. my guess 10yrs.

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I think he gets the 20 year look what happen to bf guerra

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Wow I'm shocked that the mob, moreover the Columbo's, would kill a cop because he married the ex wife of a made guy. Some people never learn.

I always felt that the (relatively) classy wiseguys were the ones who treated cops and FBI (yes, them) with respect, even when the Feds didn't return the favor.

What a strange world we live in where a ranking skipper in a New York family can blog freely about the justice department.


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Frankmazola fuck that cop

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Fuck that even most wiseguys respect the local cops. Most may despise the Feds but the local cops? Hell, NYPD cops likely have more in common with Wiseguys than they do Feds. Not to mention whacking out cops is bad for business.


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