Exactly Hairy. The ironic thing is that the two most famous gangsters from the 20th century, Capone and Gotti, are probably the two worst bosses their respective families ever saw.

You didn't see Luciano speaking to reporters, you saw him placing his hat in front of his face to cover it up.

Well, I'm sure he enjoyed the lime light, but he wasn't that exposed now was he? The founder of the modern day mafia, and a great boss in my opinion.

I figured that, LCN. But my response was meant to be ironic.
But yes, Lucky was extremely exposed during his day. And that led to his downfall.

Oh, my bad, HairyKnuckles. Him being deported and falsely prosecuted and convicted of "pimping" women, led by Dewey, caused his downfall. You can't effectively run the Genovese family from Italy without having problems.

He was basically screwed the day Dewey decided to go against him and use false testimony as evidence.

weird because Gotti and Corozzo were rivals

Well, they might have been rivals but they were still in the same "camp" so to speak.
As I noted in my Gambino Family chart of 1985, it does look like Gotti demoted Corozzo but promoted him back to a capo rank some years later. Because no chart shows Corozzo being a capo between 1986 and 1992.

that pic with neil and frank sinatra is so cool

I think that pretty much nails it my man..In my opinion gigante was the definition of what the mob was supposed to be and a great judge of talent, and he respected castelano, but not gotti..No matter what anybody says about castelano,the family was in far better shape with him as boss then it ever was with gotti!!

I agree. And the only reason Gotti lasted as long as he did was because Willie Boy was an informant for decades. That's why Gotti wasn't derailed by the feds in the 70s.

The Chicago outfit was at its most financially successful when Capone was the man, Gotti certainly made it easier for made men to earn a living as well in some respects-the notoriety got through the press surely increased the fear of the mafia amongst the businesses they screwed

Whilst you can blame gotti's antics for the downfall of the gambinos, theyve not fallen any further than the rest of the families as far as I can tell-oc in general is a harder business to be in these days!

Whilst there is 50' of whale shit then the Inbreeds(Gambino's) it is very difficult! However had the English not starved the Irish into coming to the States it would be easy having less Cops!

Whilst there is 50' of whale shit then the Inbreeds(Gambino's) it is very difficult! However had the English not starved the Irish into coming to the States it would be easy having less Cops to deal with!

I dont speak klingon!

[ However had the English not starved the Irish into coming to the States it would be easy having less Cops to deal with![/quote]

Hey those are my 'paisans' you're talking about

Hahaha! You're nuts bro. Hahaha!

Ok, many know this. Is there an argument with my post though?

Naw.

I don´t think winning a war is dependent on the numbers. It´s about toughness, persistence, cunning, non swaying loyalty and quality of the individual soldiers and followers.

Yes 100% agree with you.

believe it or not al capone was a gang leader

sam giancana was worse

atleast capone didn't take his underlings hard earned money and go spend it on hollywood actresses/singers. that shit is a slap in the face, that's why he got exiled and subsequently eliminated

Exactlt. And Giancana was pretty bad.

Capone could only dreamed the money that Giancana made.Sam even took money from the C.I.A. and took the Outfit overseas.So yes he fucked it all up with the high life,all the actresses,CIA and Mexico stuff but there was plenty for every1

Why did it never cross Castellano's mind to whack Dellacroce? It would have surely curtailed a lot of problems down the line. Dellacroce showed no deference or respect to Castellano. No other boss would have tolerated it.

Gotti and Ruggiero were following Castellano's lead too. The reason they were so volatile and confident in taking out Castellano is because they were following Dellacroce's lead.

And so what if Castellano was banging his maid. Gotti and Dellacroce had bigger skeletons in their domestic closets!

Castellano was a lot of things and made a lot of mistakes but he was old school cosa Nostra , it was prob out of respect to carlo and the fact that dellacroce accepted being passed over in good grace , he was rewarded and castellano had no idea wot would happen down the line

quote=Moe_Tilden]Why did it never cross Castellano's mind to whack Dellacroce? It would have surely curtailed a lot of problems down the line. Dellacroce showed no deference or respect to Castellano. No other boss would have tolerated it.

Gotti and Ruggiero were following Castellano's lead too. The reason they were so volatile and confident in taking out Castellano is because they were following Dellacroce's lead.

And so what if Castellano was banging his maid. Gotti and Dellacroce had bigger skeletons in their domestic closets! [/quote]

Moe,

I think falling in line with Carlo Gambinos wishes shows a lot of respect since Dellacroce was actually next in line. Dellacroce not killing Castellano showed a ton of respect IMO.

Dellacroce showed nothing but respect for Castellano. Dellacroce was following Carlo Gambino's wishes and remained loyal even though he was next in line to be boss. It's no coincidence that Gotti killed Castellano shortly after Dellacroce's death. Dellacroce never would of allowed it to happen while he was alive.

If Castellano clipped Dellacroce he would have been dead himself not long after that. He would have pissed off a lot of folks.

If I remember correctly, in Murder Machine Dom said that after Carlo Gambino passed away, the sit down was at Nino Gaggi's place. Dom was givin an AR, and instructed to sit by the window, and Nino gave instructions to kill everyone coming out the door, if such and such were to happen. Can't remember the exact details. But I was under the impression that if Dellacroce and his goon's had an objections about Gambino's wishes they would of been put down there.

Iggy alogna was a backup shooter aswel