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Slinging the Heroin From the Pizza Connection #643592
04/12/12 03:33 PM
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So I understand all about how it was shipped to America from Sicily and how Zips and American Mobsters then distributed in America etc etc. What I am interested in is this: I'm guessing most of that Heroin ended up being sold in black ghetto's and other ghetto's, but I know wiseguys aren't personally slinging on street corners.
So there must of been partnerships between black gangsters and mafia guys, does anyone know anything about this? Basically I am interested in what happens to that heroin once it gets to America, how it actually ends up being sold on the corners.

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it's delivered to street level dealers,i think maybe soldiers and associates deliver it ?


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Re: Slinging the Heroin From the Pizza Connection [Re: NickyScarfo] #643604
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The zips were the importers wholesalers of the heroin, they worked with a handful of top lcn guys like matthew madonna and then you had mid level mob guys that would distribute it to street level guys that were running the corners or turf. However as african american crime groups became larger and more organised such as frank matthews, Nicky barnes and the council the pretlow group in new jersey they were able to take control of the street level and mid level trade meaning that they cut out alot of the middle men both black and italian and deal directly with the suppliers and top guys in the drug trade. Controlling street level sales although it brings the violence and police attention it however brings in the maximum profit that the drugs can make. Also you had an italians in the purple gang that sort of took over from nicky barnes for a short time when he was arrested and were supplying the network of dealers that were left over. Im not too sure if it was exclusively sold in the ghetto at the time as heroin has large white customer base as well especially now but it wouldnt suprise me if some of the lcn guys thought that only blacks do drugs hence they were safe selling it in the ghettos. As for what happens to the heroin it gets cut up with other substances which bulks it up and then sold. Also there have been a number of instances where mobsters have engaged in street level drug dealing, take this case for example http://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/02/nyregion/officials-say-mafia-ran-crack-ring-in-brooklyn.html

Re: Slinging the Heroin From the Pizza Connection [Re: Scorsese] #643633
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I wonder, what happened to Frank Matthews? There is a short, 3min promo video for a dvd floating around. Him and Melvin probably interest me the most of the black kingpins, over the 2 rats. The Italians retail dope too. And probably always have. Depends on where you are. Not to many drug stings happening in the burbs. We had a guy in KC related to a prominent LCN family tree that got charged in a crack ring. He got killed a few years ago, but who knows why. In Italy, I'm sure there are younger guys in their clans involved on the street level.

Re: Slinging the Heroin From the Pizza Connection [Re: NickyScarfo] #643635
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its crazy how fast the whole dynamic of a criminal enterprise can change. 30 years ago the italians were responsible for the majority of the heroin importation in the northeast, by all accounts the biggest market in the us. today, i doubt they import anything of significance, although they are still involved as middlemen and brokers.


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Re: Slinging the Heroin From the Pizza Connection [Re: KCGizzo] #643640
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Originally Posted By: KCGizzo
I wonder, what happened to Frank Matthews? There is a short, 3min promo video for a dvd floating around. Him and Melvin probably interest me the most of the black kingpins, over the 2 rats. The Italians retail dope too. And probably always have. Depends on where you are. Not to many drug stings happening in the burbs. We had a guy in KC related to a prominent LCN family tree that got charged in a crack ring. He got killed a few years ago, but who knows why. In Italy, I'm sure there are younger guys in their clans involved on the street level.


In italy they have an expendable work force of youngsters that they can have working for them. In america this not the case, if it was they probably would have people work corners for them and operate crack houses. It seems that oxy and heroin are the main drugs of choice in suburbs there have been a few stings and arrests but its still a prevalent problem. The mob traffickers seem to be heavily involved in pescription drugs.

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Re: Slinging the Heroin From the Pizza Connection [Re: Five_Felonies] #643646
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Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
its crazy how fast the whole dynamic of a criminal enterprise can change. 30 years ago the italians were responsible for the majority of the heroin importation in the northeast, by all accounts the biggest market in the us. today, i doubt they import anything of significance, although they are still involved as middlemen and brokers.


The mobs decline in the drug trade probably began during the mid seventies and then faded with evryone else during the crack epidemic. Not to say their werent any big dealers about still but as an organisation just couldnt hold onto it.

Re: Slinging the Heroin From the Pizza Connection [Re: Five_Felonies] #643647
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Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
its crazy how fast the whole dynamic of a criminal enterprise can change. 30 years ago the italians were responsible for the majority of the heroin importation in the northeast, by all accounts the biggest market in the us. today, i doubt they import anything of significance, although they are still involved as middlemen and brokers.


That's basically correct. After the fall of the Pizza Connection in the 1980's, the Chinese moved in and that's when the high grade "China White" heroin became big. Then the Colombians, and later Mexicans, started refining their own high grade heroin and were able to dominate the trade along with the cocaine and marijuana. For the last 25 years or so the mob has been on the middle and lower levels of the drug trade.


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Re: Slinging the Heroin From the Pizza Connection [Re: NickyScarfo] #643659
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I've read that Galante was so ruthless, he would have his cronies lure someone to an empty heroin den and inject the victim with heroin. If he died, they knew they had "good stuff".

Since you brought up Pizza Connection, I wonder what happened to Salvatore Catalano since he was released from prison two years ago? His pastry shop is still open on Metropolitan in Middle Village.

Re: Slinging the Heroin From the Pizza Connection [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #643661
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
I've read that Galante was so ruthless, he would have his cronies lure someone to an empty heroin den and inject the victim with heroin. If he died, they knew they had "good stuff".

Since you brought up Pizza Connection, I wonder what happened to Salvatore Catalano since he was released from prison two years ago? His pastry shop is still open on Metropolitan in Middle Village.
the infamous black man test. although i think galante referred to it as something slightly different seeing as though he wasnt afraid to mince words.

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Re: Slinging the Heroin From the Pizza Connection [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #643668
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Whats the name of Catalano's shop?


"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
Re: Slinging the Heroin From the Pizza Connection [Re: Five_Felonies] #643677
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Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
I've read that Galante was so ruthless, he would have his cronies lure someone to an empty heroin den and inject the victim with heroin. If he died, they knew they had "good stuff".

Since you brought up Pizza Connection, I wonder what happened to Salvatore Catalano since he was released from prison two years ago? His pastry shop is still open on Metropolitan in Middle Village.
the infamous black man test. although i think galante referred to it as something slightly different seeing as though he wasnt afraid to mince words.


I was reading about Galante's first heroin trial back in 1962, with Tony Mirra and The Panico Brothers. The trial that sent him away for about 12 years. I assume that it was in the early 60's when he was killing people to see if his heroin was "good".

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Originally Posted By: Nicholas
Whats the name of Catalano's shop?


Catalano Brothers Bakery on Metropolitan Ave in Middle Village Queens.

If you do a google it shows a Flushing address it's the same store. It's a glitch having to do with the post office and mail.

It was under heavy surveillance during the Pizza Connection investigation. Somehow the FBI only got Al Dente Pizza but not Catalano Bakery.

Re: Slinging the Heroin From the Pizza Connection [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #643694
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I think that galante would have fit in much better during the 80s or even now, because i dont think theres anyone around that would challenge or confront him.

Re: Slinging the Heroin From the Pizza Connection [Re: Scorsese] #643698
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Speaking of "drug connections", I just found this picture of the real Popeye Doyle (Eddie Egan) as he was bringing in one of the French Connection smugglers for arrest in Brooklyn.




4.4.1962 - Jacques Louis Angelvin (left), master of ceremonies on one of France's most popular TV shows, gestures as he answers questions posed by Lt. Joseph Carus (right) in the 82nd Precinct during his booking. Angelvin was indicted by a Brooklyn grand jury on narcotics charges. Behind Angelvin is the arresting officer, Ed Eagan, of the narcotics squad. A true bill by the jury charged the entertainer, held in jail here since January 18th, with possession and conspiracy to possess narcotics.


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It seems that every major drug smuggling group at the time alligned themselves with one of the five families.

French connection-luchesse crime family
Pizza Connection- bonanno crime family

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Originally Posted By: Scorsese
I think that galante would have fit in much better during the 80s or even now, because i dont think theres anyone around that would challenge or confront him.


The cops/FBI would have a field day with this guy with todays crime fighting resources/techniques.
Galante is the guy who blew the doors off Costello's crypt with dynamite as a final "fuck you" to his old nemisis.
He wasnt the sort of guy to operate discreetly!

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Originally Posted By: GaryH
Originally Posted By: Scorsese
I think that galante would have fit in much better during the 80s or even now, because i dont think theres anyone around that would challenge or confront him.


The cops/FBI would have a field day with this guy with todays crime fighting resources/techniques.
Galante is the guy who blew the doors off Costello's crypt with dynamite as a final "fuck you" to his old nemisis.
He wasnt the sort of guy to operate discreetly!


Yeah he would probably have a short reign but i think that he would be a very active as in terms of violence and drug trafficking. He would at least keep us entertained on this forum. He would probably engage in open violence against the other families and gangs in the city.

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its seems that there is always alot of talk about how so and so wouldnt make it in todays mob because they were to crazy, unpredictable, wreckless ect. while that can be true to an extent, one of the main reasons that the mob has been able to stay relevant is their ability to adapt to the times so dont think all the old timers would be jail bait in the first week. anybody who is able to generate millions of dollars whether legal or illegal has a certain degree of smarts. of course people cant come back from the dead so we will never know.


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They probably could do with someone a bit less predictable and more risky. The people that do become boss seem not to do anything different than the last guy.

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Originally Posted By: Scorsese
The zips were the importers wholesalers of the heroin, they worked with a handful of top lcn guys like matthew madonna and then you had mid level mob guys that would distribute it to street level guys that were running the corners or turf. However as african american crime groups became larger and more organised such as frank matthews, Nicky barnes and the council the pretlow group in new jersey they were able to take control of the street level and mid level trade meaning that they cut out alot of the middle men both black and italian and deal directly with the suppliers and top guys in the drug trade. Controlling street level sales although it brings the violence and police attention it however brings in the maximum profit that the drugs can make. Also you had an italians in the purple gang that sort of took over from nicky barnes for a short time when he was arrested and were supplying the network of dealers that were left over. Im not too sure if it was exclusively sold in the ghetto at the time as heroin has large white customer base as well especially now but it wouldnt suprise me if some of the lcn guys thought that only blacks do drugs hence they were safe selling it in the ghettos. As for what happens to the heroin it gets cut up with other substances which bulks it up and then sold. Also there have been a number of instances where mobsters have engaged in street level drug dealing, take this case for example http://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/02/nyregion/officials-say-mafia-ran-crack-ring-in-brooklyn.html


i dont think mathew maddona was involved in the pizza connection he still would of been in prison if he was actually he was in prison wile the PC was happening he was involved in the french connection

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Catalano Bros. Bakery in Queens is closed for renovations.

I hope they fix it up nice and have tables for people to sit and eat and drink. I hope.


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