Found this on the internet mentions the blood gang that was working with the luchesse soldiers in nj. some bits are redacted.
http://cryptome.org/gangs/united.pdf

the bloods are the biggest, most entrenthed african american gang in nj. they are even in some of the nicer towns.

i think there are even a few west coast affiliated blood gangs that are littered around the eastcoast. But yeah the bloods do seem like the dominant gang,I think alot of the smaller independant black gangs are sort of inclined to convert to bloods either for more power or fear for when they get into prison.

The connection between the Lucchese family and the Bloods was basically through Lucchese soldier, Joe Perna, and Blood "five star general, Edwin Spears; and dealt with smuggling heroin and cell phones into prison, as well as getting a Blood member to back off trying to collect money from a Lucchese associate.

yeah i know i meant to say soldier instead soldiers in my first post.
Alot of ny blood members have also spread into pensylvania aswell. http://www.timesleader.com/golackawanna/news/Bloods_gangs_operated_side-by-side_05-22-2011.html

Naturally the media and even some in law enforcement hyped the connection. You would have thought the Luccheses and the Bloods had a huge meeting together around a giant table, Godfather style or something. The thing is, before that bust in 2007, the Luccheses (and Bonananos) were working with the Bloods in supplying oxycontin to dealers in Connecticut and Massachusetts in 2004.

This is off topic but i've always wondered, what happens to all these black gangsters?

Like we see a ton of old Italians but never any blacks who are old.I know the structure of street gangs is different than LCN but you can't tell me all these black gangbangers from the 70s and 80s went clean or died. Some of them have to be around somewhere, but I never see them getting busted or really doing anything.

Maybe it's because drugs, which the blacks engage in primarily on a retail level, is more of a young man's game. Also, like other groups who have came and went, there isn't a built in organization and process, like the Mafia has, to keep the thing going when guys go to prison or die off.

One thing I've noticed is that, although the Crips have more members and seem to be more notorious, the Bloods seem more business-oriented and smart about how they do it.

although on the west coast the crips are without a doubt more numerous, on the east coast the opposite is true.

I think that gang leaders and the hierarchy tend to vary in ages between mid 20s to late 40s but most of the gang is operated by young people. Also i think that its such a violent market their involved in they need to keep their ranks filled with young blood so that they can maintain drug turf and power. Some gang leaders dont even live in the neighbourhoods that they do business in. I think to become an OG in a gang you have to last well into your thirties without getting killed.

Heres a chicago gang leader that lasted till he was 60.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/9897741-418/black-disciples-leader-ran-drug-gun-trade.html

Then on the other end of that spectrum you have hybrid gangs that are entirely made up of teens.
http://www.dnainfo.com/20111104/harlem/g...s-other-weapons

It's usually other ethnicities that claim "crips", primarily Asian/Pac Islander. There's quite a few Asian gangs that have Crip attached to their set.

Outside of So Cal, aspiring gangsters claim Bloods, as if they attracted to the minority or oppressed Bloods.

Crip on Blood violence just seems like such a 90's thing. Mexican gang violence is what's always over the LA Times out here. What's fascinating is Latinos claiming Surreno outside of So Cal, that shit's just whack, and it's always somewhere far from Cali, not even AZ or NM (one of the major hubs of Mexican gangs and Chicano culture) it's always like Georgia or Tennessee that try to claim Sur.

The whole idea of East Coast Bloods or Crips in Alaska (a Gangland episode) seems ludicrous. Like people are claiming it for prison gang aspirations.

The only latino gang that seems to have spread successfully outside of cali are ms13. There are legitimate westcoast affiliated blood and crip gangs around the us but yeah i agree that alot of the gangs use names for the fear and rep.

Chicago gangs are spread out widely as well even california you get p stones and latin kings. I think that gang associations like the people and folk nation have a great influence across the country.

I think you are right. La Cosa Nostra, in comparison, resembles more of a middle-aged/upper middle-aged men's club. Their power and influence notwithstanding, the members of La Cosa Nostra as a whole don't inspire the same sort of fear or project the same sort of menace as do your typical Bloods or Crips member. There's something more intimidating about a tatted up, buffed out, in-your-face bloods/crips gang member than there is about a suit wearing or jogging suit attired middle-aged guy with a receding hairline and paunch. I know I'd feel much more threatened physically by a Tookie Williams (Crips co-founder) than I would be by a John Gotti or a Vinny Basciano or someone like that.

You would think that LCN as a whole would not want to do business with a lowly street gang. After all, the LCN has, for decades, been considered the ivy leagues of crime, whereas gangs like the Bloods and Crips are, for the most part, simply street gangs made up of members you would think that LCN would consider beneath them!

The problem with black and Latino gangs is that they have no concept of a family in the literal sense of the word.

The grow up in broken homes, often fatherless, whereas the Italians have some sense of a functional family. As a result, the Italians always invest in legit businesses because they can count on their relatives to run them. Blacks especially, don't have that kind of family structure, and they waste their money on bling-bling or high risk ventures like record companies.

Black gangs should own every Crown and Palace fried chicken, instead of these miserable America hating foreigners.

Plus, minorities, blacks especially are always doing stupid things, like shooting cops. Since I have moved to Tampa, about 8 cops have been killed in the line of duty in the Tampa Bay area. Every single cop was killed by a black male. That's not good for gang business.

I think that lcn members would work with anyone doing anything from home invasions, drug dealing to sex trafficking so i wouldnt say anyother group of criminals are beneath them. I think the major difference between the two is the environments that both live in. Mobsters live in alot more of a peacful and calm environment where they can perhaps resolve things with a sit down because things arent as fast moving and they can plan for the future more, street gangs live a more do or die lifestyle where perhaps they are mostly concerned with the present things are alot more violent for them. But i think you have to differentiate from low level gang members and gang leaders and the high level drug traffickers in the gang.

The articles on this site are good. theres one about the outfit associates hiring gang members to do hits.
http://americanfocus.tripod.com/gangawareness/id10.html

Chasing dirty money
April 8, 2002

Cops call it velocity. The rapid-fire exchange of dollar bills for dime bags. Cash flowing from a drug deal into a bank account under an assumed name.

Money being pulled from the account to buy luxury cars, designer clothing and more dope.

The high-speed spin cycle that makes dirty money clean.

"The faster you can spend the money to buy the dope, the faster you sell the dope, and the more money you make," said William O'Brien, the assistant Cook County state's attorney in charge of the office's Narcotics Prosecution Bureau. "One way to stop the velocity is to throw a wrench into the money aspect of it. Once it gets deposited and the bulk cash is turned into a blip on the computer screen, we can't do anything about it."

Police and prosecutors have always known Chicago street gangs launder their drug profits through seemingly legitimate businesses such as currency exchanges, cellular phone shops and beauty salons.

Until now, federal agents typically have investigated money-laundering. Local authorities said they did not have the expertise and manpower to concentrate on such time-consuming cases.

This year, however, money-laundering is at the heart of Cook County prosecutors' strategy for breaking up Chicago's drug operations, which they believe have already been splintered with the imprisonment of top gang leaders.

Millions of dollars are at stake, according to Ranell Rogers, 23, a member of the Mafia Insane Vice Lords.

"I make between $1,000 and $2,000 a week. It's my keep. I worked for a guy, and I counted his money one time and for a week, counted $1.2 million sitting on my table. But it was his money. I wanted to get my gym bag and run. But he knows where my house is. That was his take."

Cook County's initiative could become a model for the rest of the nation, backed with the clout of U.S. House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.).

"It's a 180-degree turn," O'Brien said. "Everyone has always been following the powder, following the dope. Now we are going to follow the money."

In February, police and prosecutors opened three cases using the new approach.

Police and prosecutors will approach the Illinois Gaming Board to develop intelligence about drug dealers who launder their cash at riverboat casinos.

They will work with the Illinois Department of Revenue to obtain tax returns of drug kingpins and their associates.

Interesting articles. After reading them, a lot of these gangs make the mob look like a feeble old relic barely hanging on in the criminal world. In Chicago, the gangs took control of the street years ago. I wonder what Al Capone would think if he could be brought back to life and driven through the streets of his former empire? In Capone's day, the Outfit was the big dog on the block. Today, the Outfit is almost non-existent. The balance of power has done a 180!

Comparing the modern day Chicago Outfit to the street gangs is almost a case of apples and oranges. The Outfit is a relatively small group of middle-age and older Italian guys, plus Italian and non-Italian associates, who's niche is sports betting, video poker machines, bid-rigging for mobbed up companies, etc. I guess you could say that narcotics is the modern day version of Prohibition and certainly other groups have taken over that business.

The middle age Italians treat the mafia as a business, they keep violence to a minimum and want to operate in the shadows, street gangs want to be out in the open and use violence like it is a sport. You dont see mob guys shooting out because they"be disrespectin the set" by being on another gangs street. Can you see a Gambino and columbo soldier shooting it out because they were both in brooklyn. You dont see a lot of 60 year olg black gangsters because they kill each other off over stupid unnecissary shit.

Joey, even when the mob was at it's most violent; 1950's, the late 20's and the Colombo War(s) (with the exception of the Orena/Persico war, which was about seein' them and then killin' them) the mob has never been about killing someone simply because they are on your turf.

I don't disagree with you. Everything you said is correct. But from my point of view, the Outfit and the Chicago street gangs both operate in a violent world. Violence, or at least the threat of it, is an enforcement tool. Although their rackets and areas of criminality differ, they are both part of the underworld. And what I was highlighting was the fact that the Outfit used to run Chicago. Under Capone and then later Ricca, Giancana, and Accardo, no criminal gang or element could operate in Chicago without the blessing of the Outfit. If a street gang started committing crimes and failed to pay tribute to the Outfit, that gang would have been wiped out by Outfit gunmen. So, at one time, the Outfit was at the top of the criminal world in Chicago. But look at Chicago today. I'm not extolling the virtues of one crime group or another. But I think I'd prefer to have the Outfit in charge of Chi-town, in a sort of the lesser of two evils kind of thing!

I think that things started to change between italians and black during the 60s and 70s due street gangs emerging, political climate, demographics and also the heroin epidemic.Guys like nicky barnes were no longer just street peddlers they controlled the drug trade throughout the city because they could buy wholesale and sell it at retail which made them maximum profits. This obviously put alot of people out of business including mid level mob guys because everyone had to buy off of people like barnes. Also black neighbourhoods became unsafe for lcn operatives to work in.

Heres an excerpt from a study that sort of explains the transition.

As Chicago’s black belt expanded, Ralph Pierce, the successor to Murray Humphreys and Sam Hunt, organized a circle of black lieutenants who supervised gambling in African-American areas. Pierce was reportedly the Outfit’s overlord of the Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh Wards, which included Hyde Park, Woodlawn, Grand Crossing and other South Side communities.
Pierce’s black lieutenants included Osborn Fraser, John Womack and James Robinson.Chicago’s South Side black community was not only expanding but also undergoing extensive change. Working and middle-class blacks, attracted by the lure of the suburbs, began to move out of Chicago’s South Side. In addition, Chicago’s economy was undergoing a massive restructuring, which saw a tremendous decline in the number of blue-collar jobs. Wilson reports that Chicago lost 326,000 manufacturing jobs between 1967 and 1987.
The disappearance of work had tremendous consequences for life in the inner city. The departure of the middle-class was followed by the exit of the commercial institutions they once supported. With no jobs available, Wilson argues that young men made rational decisions to “hustle on the streets” resulting in an increase in crime. As the crime rate soared and street gang activity increased, it became harder for white gangsters to operate in black areas. This point was brought home when one of Ralph Pierce’s top lieutenants suffered a merciless beating at the hands of street gang members who ordered him out of their turf. Mobster Angelo Volpe, who had obtained control over the Windy City policy wheel, also found himself the victim of intimidation by black gang members and was forced to hire his own group of black gang youths to protect him on the day-to-day rounds of his policy operation. The decline of traditional organized crime activity in the black community was underway. Changing political and social realities made it increasingly difficult for the Outfit to operate in inner city areas. Government action against policy operators and the decline of Chicago’s celebrated Black Metropolis all contributed to the decline of policy gambling. The creation of the Illinois Lottery in 1980 furthered hastened this decline. Policy, however, did not disappear entirely. Chicago Police and federal authorities were taking enforcement action against policy operations as late as 1989 when the U. S.Attorney’s Office seized ten policy stations in a civil forfeiture action. The properties seized were part of the Reuben-Linda lottery.
Chicago Police estimated that the Reuben-Linda lottery had been in existence for six years from 1983 to 1989 and had taken in an estimated three million dollars a year in revenue.
The interesting thing about the ReubenLinda lottery was that its writers took bets, ranging from 25 cents to fifty
dollars, on the results of the daily Illinois Lottery. This allowed the bettors to see the numbers drawn on television each day, which insured the integrity of the game. In spite of persistent rumors, no evidence was ever uncovered
of Outfit involvement in the Reuben-Linda operation. The Outfit had lost its control over Chicago’s South Side while black organized crime continued
http://uic.edu/orgs/kbc/ganghistory/Ghetto/Blackmafia.pdf