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Re: John Gotti and the O' Conner tapes
[Re: IvyLeague]
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03/01/12 09:01 PM
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Yeah, Gotti talked just as much as Ruggiero ever did. Gravano may have been the one that flipped, but Gotti yacking away on the Ravenite tapes was a precursor to that and did just as much damage. Gotti, had a big mouth, no doubt , as I have stated before loose lips sink ships ! But he did have class, and he spent his time and with his medical condition it wasn't easy, he paid a price and was tough doing it ! Gravano, tough guy yes, but then got a chance and blew that FH! I have no respect for him at all ! Callen it the way I see it !
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Re: John Gotti and the O' Conner tapes
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03/01/12 09:30 PM
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Yeah, Gotti talked just as much as Ruggiero ever did. Gravano may have been the one that flipped, but Gotti yacking away on the Ravenite tapes was a precursor to that and did just as much damage. Gotti, had a big mouth, no doubt , as I have stated before loose lips sink ships ! But he did have class, and he spent his time and with his medical condition it wasn't easy, he paid a price and was tough doing it ! Gravano, tough guy yes, but then got a chance and blew that FH! I have no respect for him at all ! Callen it the way I see it ! How can you respect any of those guys, though? They are/were all glorified thieves who preyed on others. I lump them all together in one barrel. And I'm not so sure how bad Sammy was for ratting. Gotti was saying some pretty bad things about Gravano. And this was after Gravano was helping to make Gotti very rich by giving John a huge cut of all of his (Gravano's) companies that Gotti was complaining about. At the end of the day, they are all liars, crooks and thieves. They rob, steal, and kill. But flipping on a guy is some sort of mortal sin? It was Gotti's big mouth that got them (Sammy, Frankie, Gotti) all arrested in the first place. You never heard Sammy's loose lips on any tape. Gotti caused his own downfall; Gravano just decided to help things along!
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Re: John Gotti and the O' Conner tapes
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03/03/12 05:16 PM
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your right ... I'm sure I read they tapped Sammy's office and they could not pin anything on him, he also never said one word about Gotti - I also think that Gotti said a lot of things about Sammy that were not true.. like "wheres my piece of these fuckin companies", don't tell me a hothead like Gotti would let Sammy set up all these companies and not get anything out of it - I think Gotti just liked to hear his own voice as when you hear the taps it's mostly bullshit and "poor john gotti", my ass
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Re: John Gotti and the O' Conner tapes
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03/03/12 08:38 PM
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Eh, Sammy took it all too personally. Half the time Gotti bragged about how much he loved Sammy, how'd he be the boss after John would go away (which he knew he would). Gotti criticized Sammy for being too white collar and with too many legitimate businesses. Sammy acted like John was talking about bad about his wife and kids.
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Re: John Gotti and the O' Conner tapes
[Re: JCrusher]
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03/04/12 04:56 PM
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Eh, Sammy took it all too personally. Half the time Gotti bragged about how much he loved Sammy, how'd he be the boss after John would go away (which he knew he would). Gotti criticized Sammy for being too white collar and with too many legitimate businesses. Sammy acted like John was talking about bad about his wife and kids.
I think sammy couldn't handle jail. Not that im praising gotti because im glad he went to jail im just offering a theory. gotti had done some stretches in jail and sammy never did so no matter how tough you are jail can be overbearing if you aren't used to it Yeah, but Sammy was in jail because of Gotti. If you get thrown in jail and are facing a life sentence because of someone else's big mouth, that's got to be hard to take.
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Re: John Gotti and the O' Conner tapes
[Re: JasonAnthony74]
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03/06/12 11:43 PM
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Yeah, Gotti talked just as much as Ruggiero ever did. Gravano may have been the one that flipped, but Gotti yacking away on the Ravenite tapes was a precursor to that and did just as much damage. Gotti, had a big mouth, no doubt , as I have stated before loose lips sink ships ! But he did have class, and he spent his time and with his medical condition it wasn't easy, he paid a price and was tough doing it ! Gravano, tough guy yes, but then got a chance and blew that FH! I have no respect for him at all ! Callen it the way I see it ! How can you respect any of those guys, though? They are/were all glorified thieves who preyed on others. I lump them all together in one barrel. And I'm not so sure how bad Sammy was for ratting. Gotti was saying some pretty bad things about Gravano. And this was after Gravano was helping to make Gotti very rich by giving John a huge cut of all of his (Gravano's) companies that Gotti was complaining about. At the end of the day, they are all liars, crooks and thieves. They rob, steal, and kill. But flipping on a guy is some sort of mortal sin? It was Gotti's big mouth that got them (Sammy, Frankie, Gotti) all arrested in the first place. You never heard Sammy's loose lips on any tape. Gotti caused his own downfall; Gravano just decided to help things along! well that and also the FBI had a huge hardon for Gotti and wanted him on tape at ALL costs, various bugs in his club, cirelli's apt, etc taping gravano was secondary to the big prize that was on the front page of the ny papers beating the govt at different trials
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Re: John Gotti and the O' Conner tapes
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03/07/12 04:10 PM
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yeah he was going to jail no matter what...
From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn. -Frank White
You say your 72, if they come back and tell me to give you a message - and if you want to defy it ... I assure you that you will never reach 73 - Joey "the clown" Lombardo
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