LOL, you are even further gone than I thought. Wow, just wow. You assume because one author took that approach then every author must take that approach? Further you criticize the mans style ( Lamothe) then use a quote from him to support your belief?

And who cares if it has been 50+ years since the last indictment. You really think the FBI is so smart the Mafia couldn't outsmart them for 20 years lol?? They outsmarted Hoover for how long?

Do some research on the Tocco family and you may understand why it isn't surprising that one might believe they could neutralize the FBI attempts for 20+ years with arranged marriages and all.

Wait, maybe they didn't dupe Hoover at all!!! Maybe Hoover had a different agenda than to prosecute the mafia?? Could that be so? Perhaps maybe the Detroit FBI branch and those of Kansas, Buffalo Ect have different agenda's than NYC? Wait that couldn't be possible now could it? You have already proved that all FBI agencies put the same weight and allocate the same number of resources to combating the mafia.... NOT.

Just out of curiosity

Mussolini14, are you thebarber on the other side?

this whole idea of being secretive or being one step ahead of the government only works on a small scale at best. im sure that there are a few made members in ny who havent been identified by law enforcement, but thats about it. the idea that a family can have huge amounts of activity and make boatloads of cash without drawing attention to itself is almost laughable in todays technologically advanced society. a few scams can fly under the radar, but over time somebody is bound to slip up, but with some people no amount of evidence is good enough and their opinions are set in stone.

Nope, I'm Mussonlin14 over there too.

First, you're beyond delusional. I think that's been clearly established.

Second, I've done plenty of research on the Toccos and the Detroit mob. And I've never come across anything to suggest that they figured out some way to avoid law enforcement scrutiny that no other family in the nation has.

Let me break it down for you as simply as I can so you can understand...

A more viable family = more activity = more indictments.

A less viable family = less activity - less indictments.

It's really not that hard to grasp.

And I feel I need to clarify again that, if people want to believe there's still a viable family in Detroit, I don't argue with that. There's enough conflicting information to make a case for that. What there isn't enough evidence of is the assertion that the Detroit family is as strong as some claim, has 50+ members, etc.

Sure over time people will slip up, but with the precautions Tocco has made with pre arranged marriage ect isn't it logical he would last longer than others?

And both sides have access to technology

sure he seems to be careful, but its easier to be careful when you run a smaller family. detroit seems to be the right on the fringe when it comes to viable. personally, i think that they still have some structure over there, but it seems to be on the downside. both sides can use technology, but make no mistake, the government has loads more.

case in point: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/03/petraeus-tv-remote/

^^^hey, that website seems pretty well put together. that guy must have his shit together

FBI National Priorities

"Our Priorities

The FBI focuses on threats that challenge the foundations of American society or involve dangers too large or complex for any local or state authority to handle alone. In executing the following priorities, we will produce and use intelligence to protect the nation from threats and to bring to justice those who violate the law.

1. Protect the United States from terrorist attack
2. Protect the United States against foreign intelligence operations and espionage
3. Protect the United States against cyber-based attacks and high-technology crimes
4. Combat public corruption at all levels
5. Protect civil rights
6. Combat transnational/national criminal organizations and enterprises
7. Combat major white-collar crime
8. Combat significant violent crime
9. Support federal, state, local and international partners
10. Upgrade technology to successfully perform the FBI’s mission"

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/quick-facts


For Detroit FBI branch

"In the 1990s, the division found itself tackling serious Ponzi schemes, major bank fraud, and various drug-related crimes like money laundering, illegal prescription sales, and health care fraud fraud. In 1990, division agents arrested Gregory Hooper on charges of industrial espionage. Hooper—an employee of General Motors—had stolen company trade secrets that were estimated to be worth $650 million.

During the decade, the division also pursued serious color of law and civil rights violations, as well as organized crime groups. In 1991, a joint FBI/IRS investigation led to the indictment of several active and retired Detroit police officials on charges of embezzlement, obstruction of justice, and income tax violations. The next year, FBI Detroit investigated a serious arson case that targeted an African-American resident of Battle Creek, Michigan. And in 1996, the division’s five-year undercover investigation called GAMTAX culminated in the indictment of 17 members of the Detroit mob—nearly its entire hierarchy—on charges of illegal gambling, loan-sharking, extortion, and acts of violence in support of those crimes. By 1998, Detroit boss Jack Tocco and several of his most important assistants had been convicted.

Following the events of 9/11, the Detroit Division shifted its focus to countering terrorist threats and strengthening its intelligence capacities. Working closely with the local Muslim communities, it has worked to identify extremist threats and to prevent retaliatory hate crimes against Michigan residents.

With a century of service under its belt, the Detroit Division is committed to using its full range of skills to protect and defend the citizens, businesses, and communities of Michigan in the years ahead."

http://www.fbi.gov/detroit/about-us/history-1/history

NYC FBI Branch

"In the organized crime realm, since 9/11, the New York Field Office has arrested and convicted the leadership of all five La Cosa Nostra families twice over, and effectively put the “sixth” family, the DeCavalcante family, out of commission. In an unprecedented occurrence, Bonanno family boss Joe Massino became the highest-ranking mobster ever to become an FBI cooperator...Counterterrorism remains the largest priority for the office."

http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/about-us/history-1/history

How many times do I have to say this?



THE FACT THAT THE FBI (OR LOCAL POLICE) IN DETROIT DON'T ALLOCATE MUCH TIME AND RESOURCES TO THE LCN THERE SHOWS IT'S NOT A BIG PRIORITY IN THE FIRST PLACE! IF IT WAS AS STRONG AND ACTIVE AS SOME ALLEGE, IT WOULD BE A HIGHER PRIORITY FOR THE FEDS AND THERE WOULD BE MORE CASES AS A RESULT!

LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES OBVIOUSLY DEDICATE ENOUGH RESOURCES TO BRING ABOUT ONGOING CASES, NOT ONLY IN NEW YORK, BUT ALSO IN NEW ENGLAND, PHILADELPHIA, AND CHICAGO. BUT DETROIT IS THE ONE AREA OF THE COUNTRY WHERE THE FEDS IGNORE THE MOB OR ARE NOT ABLE TO BRING ONGOING CASES?

Again you miss the point. It is not necessarily indicative of less mafia activity only that they value the prosecution of street gangs and 1% motorcycle clubs as they are a bigger threat to the public. Or did you ask them and they told you they put mafia prosecution over that of street gangs and other OC groups?

You act as though it is a stretch to think 1 out of 5 FBI branches places more emphasis on other criminal elements than the mafia. I think most would agree that street gangs are a bigger threat to public safety so perhaps 20% of FBI branches are starting to realize going after gang bangers who shoot out in public serves the public interest more so than going after old men who take bets.

I suppose you failing to recognize the correlation between the two shouldn't be surprising. You're the guy who thinks it doesn't matter if 50 years have gone by without cases. Heck, that could mean the LCN family in Dallas is still around!

Now your just paraphrasing Ivy, when did I ever say it doesn't matter if 50 years go by? You are the one who keeps talking about Dallas like their families state has anything to do with Detroit or other families I have mentioned. You fail to address my points about Hoover having an agenda that did not include prosecuting the mafia and therefor they went virtually undisturbed for decades and instead talk about Dallas.

anyway its true that fbi could care less of mafia in detroit today since street gangs and terrorism imagine create social alarm there
a mafia family of 30-50 made members in a metropolitan area of 5 millions its a different thing that lets say 5 families and 1.000 made members in new york
detroit in the 50s had less than hlaf of acutal people living and the family had 100 made members

haha thanks

i think the readers like it as well, i try and run a smooth operation. it has become a good source for archived news articles.

The feds will always take the opportunity to make a case against the infamous Mafia. But it's a case of a family where 30 members is probably the highest total at most and the activity doesn't expand much beyond bookmaking and loansharking.

I've heard some rumors that a guy is making regular trips to Ontario to align himself with the Toronto Sun and take over your operation.

Also, the feds have a habit of going after the weaker families first to give them a final pushover. The Colombos in New York are a good example. They know they can make easier scores on the most vulnerable groups.

yeah i feel bad for the colombos, its like by the time the ink on an indictment runs dry the feds pump another one out, one after the other, no chance for the leadership or the guys on the street to even breathe

They wouldn't have this problem if they weren't trigger-happy morons, you know.

he was making trips


hes sleeping with the fishes now

he was making trips


hes sleeping with the fishes now

Who was that?