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Re: size of the rizzuto family? [Re: HairyKnuckles] #673747
11/03/12 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Sonny, I finally found the FBI document saying the Montreal faction of the Bonannos are supposed to go to Magaddino and the Arizona faction to LA. I actually stumbled upon it.
It seems to me that the Commission discussed breaking up the Bonanno Family into pieces during the initial phase of the Bonanno intra Family struggle. No wonder why Magaddino was so keen on seing the Bonanno Family chopped up, because it would have given him additional 100 guys under his command...according to DeCavalcante.
Of course, we know this never happened but apparently the subject of breaking up the Bonannos was brought up at the table during a Commission meeting.

https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=127723&relPageId=9


Thanks for finding this.


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Re: size of the rizzuto family? [Re: Five_Felonies] #673803
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Has anyone actually got any Chart of The Rizzutos, Cleveland, Philly, Milwaukee, Los Angeles. No one has really done it before

Re: size of the rizzuto family? [Re: Imamobguy] #673827
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Yeah I agree with that...^


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Re: size of the rizzuto family? [Re: Imamobguy] #673840
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Originally Posted By: Imamobguy
Has anyone actually got any Chart of The Rizzutos, Cleveland, Philly, Milwaukee, Los Angeles. No one has really done it before

pretty sure murkremin made this philly chart
http://api.ning.com/files/*Qq-apW3lEjf0NO2pewFNqnzmid2y55PO9JAZGBbzmYmx4EpSG-e*G2Im-t7PtbL2rktU3wCibadc4cOMQTxL-RtZs0*2XT2/philly2010.gif

milwuakee
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1668/milwaukeecrimefamily001.jpg

cleveland
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/5091/clevelandmob001001.jpg

L.A.
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1493/losangelescrimefamily00.jpg

Re: size of the rizzuto family? [Re: Five_Felonies] #673842
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Re: size of the rizzuto family? [Re: NickyEyes1] #673883
11/04/12 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Originally Posted By: Imamobguy
Has anyone actually got any Chart of The Rizzutos, Cleveland, Philly, Milwaukee, Los Angeles. No one has really done it before

pretty sure murkremin made this philly chart
http://api.ning.com/files/*Qq-apW3lEjf0NO2pewFNqnzmid2y55PO9JAZGBbzmYmx4EpSG-e*G2Im-t7PtbL2rktU3wCibadc4cOMQTxL-RtZs0*2XT2/philly2010.gif

milwuakee
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1668/milwaukeecrimefamily001.jpg

cleveland
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/5091/clevelandmob001001.jpg

L.A.
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1493/losangelescrimefamily00.jpg


No thats not the chart i made, i made a different Philly chart. I also got a positive feedback from George Anastasia, he claimed it was a good, almost accurate chart for the Phillys.

I made these:
Philadelphia Family:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/f23bb241/Philadelphia Cosa Nostra Family.jpg

Cleveland Family:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/5e9b41400/Cleveland Cosa Nostra Family.jpg


Up to date mafia charts --> https://cosanostracharts.wordpress.com/
Re: size of the rizzuto family? [Re: HairyKnuckles] #674156
11/05/12 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Interesting.
I came across an old FBI document once (dated in the 1960s), that stated that the Montreal group had 20 made members and that these members belonged to the Bonanno Family.
I got frustrated because the document didn´t name them!
It also stated that there were talks between Stefano Magaddino and representatives from the Commission about these 20 made members would be absorbed into the Buffalo Family after the "Bananas War". This never happened though.


.

Could you retrieve that document?


I´ll see if I can find it...


Sonny, here´s a link to a six page document that deals with the Montreal group and the Bonannos.
However, them being absorbed into the Buffalo Crime Family is not mentioned here. I´m not sure, but it´s possible that I read that in the "DeCavalcante tapes". Will enclose a link to the ebook, found on the internet, as well.

https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=127593&relPageId=1

http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/un...ume-2-tin.shtml


Awesome find, Hairy! thanks for finding these and sharing. Loved that document

Last edited by Jimmy_Two_Times; 11/05/12 02:49 PM.
Re: size of the rizzuto family? [Re: Jimmy_Two_Times] #674204
11/05/12 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jimmy_Two_Times


Awesome find, Hairy! thanks for finding these and sharing. Loved that document


You´re welcome buddy!

It´s interesting to read something that is dated as far back as the 1960s, and finding it to still have some relevance today. The Montreal crew, even if the players have changed, have been on the news now for a couple of years due to the war up there and dominated the speculations among mob watchers everywhere.


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Re: size of the rizzuto family? [Re: HairyKnuckles] #675672
11/10/12 10:25 AM
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Sorry If I've missed something, but how big then do law enforcement consider the Rizzuto clan? Made members and then by associates, just roughly...50? More?

I mean since they did control pretty much everything until recently, they must be pretty big no?


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Re: size of the rizzuto family? [Re: Sonny_Black] #676092
11/11/12 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Mafia Inc.

Great book.

I'd say most of the top associates are gunned down or missing and the rest keep it low-profile if you heard of the Charbonneau corruption inquiry going on. And mukremin, add Joe Di Maulo to the killed.

Re: size of the rizzuto family? [Re: Five_Felonies] #676102
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The Rizzuto's have to be a fairly large organization to have one point controlled everything in Montreal. However being big doesn't mean necessarily mean power. It helps, but the Rizzuto doesn't strike me as a huge "New York" style family. More like a medium group with close knit members and a lot of associates to keep things in line.

Who the hell knows what's going on up there.


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