Selwyn Raab had an idea that there would be a resurgence because the lack of fbi agents. Is this been proving because of the gambino bust in 08 and last years bust.
Plus I think i read on here that the genovese are the most secret of the five however theyve also been hit the most this century is this tru? and how can they still be secretive?

The Genovese have been hit the least I would say, not the most. Even the Al Bruno thing up in Mass. didn't have much of a ripple effect. The hits they've taken on the NJ Docks hasn't gotten them outta there.

They're the 'most secretive' because compared to the other families in the area they've historically had the least amount of guys flip. They also are careful on who they make, and when...usually older, very low key guys. They're great at hiding/rotating the Boss (if there even is a boss) - usually a rotating panel of older guys who lead the family not because of money and power, but because its their job and it needs to be done.
From an outsiders view like mine it looks like they are more of a team, a family in the truest sense of the word, compared to the others. When you get these types of guys together sure there are huge egos, resentment, and power plays - and im sure thats true with the Genovese too, but with them that never bleeds (publicly at least) into what they seem to be all about - the greater good of the organization

about your general resurgence question, I'd say no to that as well. The families in NY yeah they're still around and probably always will be to a degree but they're not as powerful or big as they were in their "prime", or even 20 years ago.

ha right,thanks!, actually might of read that theyve killed the most this century in the us?

I forgot to ask, you said'The hits they've taken on the NJ docks' whats this about, dont understand

Indictments in the dockworkers union.

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Raab's resurgence theory is questionable. Yes, it is true that a lot of manpower was taken off the mob after 9/11. For instance, today there are about 50 FBI agents working the LCN in New York. There were 35 working the Gotti case alone back in the late 1980's. But so far that hasn't seemed to slow down the rotation of indictments. While the feds don't want to get to low in terms of manpower devoted towards the mob, they don't need the few hundred they did in the 1980's and 1990's.

The last family to actually have an actual resurgence was the Bonannos during the 1990's. Now it seems the feds are content to just continue the rotation of indictments, which keeps the families in check, while letting general attrition take it's toll. And I wouldn't say the Genovese family has been hit the least. They've suffered just as many indictments as the others. They've just been able to weather them better because they haven't had many rats or a domino effect of one guy flipping leading to several others.

They seem to be doing a great job with just 30-40 agents, hell they even bring more guys inside.

I know busts will disrupt them but i guess the families are used to them so do they really make an impact like in the nineties?

Generally speaking, it seems both the government and the mob have sort of settled into a routine pattern. The government will indict, the mobsters will plead out and cut their prison time down, and the prosecutors are content to save time and money and not having a trial while sending them away for a fraction of the time. The thinking appears to be that it's enough to keep the families in check while general attrition takes the real toll over time. Meanwhile, the mob looks at doing a relatively short stint as the cost of doing business and they'll be back on the street soon enough.

i thought that woud be the case. one last question. is it harder for indicting people for rico be? because i read that they conduct business in restaurants andnightclubs and dont tend to hang out at social clubs so the FBI cannot produce alot of surveillance videos amd wiretaps?

While the mob has cut down on the social clubs, the FBI has been successful at bugging the restaurants and other places they meet at. Not to mention their cell phones, Blackberrys, and computers. And not to mention the guys who are wearing recording devices. Basically, if you're a mobster and you meet at the same place more than a few times, you're really risking it. It seems like it often comes down to laziness and force of habit more than anything. Some guys just don't want to change their routine, no matter the cost.

oh ok thanks. you would think that they would hve an obscure routine to minimise the risk of bugs wouldnt you!

My understanding is other federal agencies will be picking up the slack. DHS,ICE,DEA,STATE DEPT.,ATF

Well already in some places like Boston and Philadelphia, it's been the local cops/OC task forces who have been going after the mob. The LCN still seems to be mostly under the FBI's jurisdiction in New York though.