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SOPA Blackout #630141
01/17/12 11:24 PM
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In just a few hours, Wikipedia, Wordpress, Reddit and a bunch of other sites will black out for 24 hours hours in protest of the Stop Online Piracy Act, the US bill currently in motion.

Not a lot of discussion on the GBB about these anti piracy laws with the potential to effect online laws around the world. Possibly.

F*&k it Ive typed out three long winded replies explaining my opinions (and hit shift+all backspace at the end, each one TLDR). Basically I think the SOPA bill is fucked (that was easier) and really like the idea of the blackout.

The Wikipedia page on the "SOPA Initiative".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative

The wikipedia page on SOPA;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act#cite_note-pcworld-3[/url]

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/244011/the_us_stop_online_piracy_act_a_primer.html
"The originally proposed bill would allow the U.S. Department of Justice, as well as copyright holders, to seek court orders against websites accused of enabling or facilitating copyright infringement. Depending on who makes the request, the court order could include barring online advertising networks and payment facilitators from doing business with the allegedly infringing website, barring search engines from linking to such sites, and requiring Internet service providers to block access to such sites. The bill would make unauthorized streaming of copyrighted content a crime, with a maximum penalty of five years in prison for ten such infringements within six months. The bill also gives immunity to Internet services that voluntarily take action against websites dedicated to infringement, while making liable for damages any copyright holder who knowingly misrepresents that a website is dedicated to infringement."

Last edited by Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica; 01/17/12 11:26 PM.

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Re: SOPA Blackout [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica] #630143
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I've been reading some about it. Not sure I totally understand it. I know that yahoo will not go dark.

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Re: SOPA Blackout [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #630146
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fully support this, if pass corporations and the government could take down a lot of sites and jobs who are legal and under 'fair use'.

Re: SOPA Blackout [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica] #630151
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SOPA would strangle YouTube to death.

I like YouTube. I want YouTube to stay YouTube. I want it to stay in business.

Re: SOPA Blackout [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #630152
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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
SOPA would strangle YouTube to death.

I like YouTube. I want YouTube to stay YouTube. I want it to stay in business.



it could also strangle any forum because we could post anything (links, pics, etc)

Re: SOPA Blackout [Re: BAM_233] #630557
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Mods: Thanks for moving this, I meant to post it in General Discuss. I have no idea how it got posted in Movies and Television, beyond an obvious mistake on my part.

Anyway, the blackout's come and gone. Hopefully at the very least it led to more widespread awarance around the world when people tried to access Wikipedia's English portal. Apparently some of the contributors to Wikipedia fear that in protesting the SOPA bill they've possibly harmed their credibilty. First off, they seem to be missing the point; if it goes through, there could possibly be no Wikipedia, period.

Second off, while piracy could be considered a serious crime by some, as Bam pointed out, the bill has the potential to strangle off the sharing of large amounts of information. Proper citations, crediting, linking and acknowledgment should be the norm anyway when reproducing another persons work, but actually making it a potential crime is going way to far. The free flow of information is a cornerstone of "thes hare interwebs".

Originally Posted By: BAM_233
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
SOPA would strangle YouTube to death.

I like YouTube. I want YouTube to stay YouTube. I want it to stay in business.



it could also strangle any forum because we could post anything (links, pics, etc)


Good points, and wholehartedly agree.


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Re: SOPA Blackout [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #630645
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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
SOPA would strangle YouTube to death.

I like YouTube. I want YouTube to stay YouTube. I want it to stay in business.

I agree, I post guitar covers on YouTube that have the copyright notice, but due to fair use they're allowed to stay up. I'd be pissed if they got taken down for something stupid like that.


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Re: SOPA Blackout [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica] #630659
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Originally Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica
Proper citations, crediting, linking and acknowledgment should be the norm anyway when reproducing another persons work
I've tried to remind people here about that. But if it comes to potential jailtime for ME because someone ELSE can't take the time, then I'll have to think of something else. Hmm, maybe a Facebook group -- oh, that might not exist anymore, either.

TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY, PEOPLE!



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Re: SOPA Blackout [Re: J Geoff] #630677
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Megavideo a infamous file sharing website where you can watch film and TV shows has been taken down and the people behind the website have been arrested and face conviction of up to 20 years..

Megavideo shut down


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Re: SOPA Blackout [Re: DE NIRO] #630681
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Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
Megavideo a infamous file sharing website where you can watch film and TV shows has been taken down and the people behind the website have been arrested and face conviction of up to 20 years..

Megavideo shut down


i am surprised that lasted for so long. but, why don't they go after those who uploaded the movies/tv show since they broke the piracy law as well.

Re: SOPA Blackout [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica] #630682
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Can't say I've ever used this site, but i do tend to use a couple of websites that stream live football, most people i know what live sports online..


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Re: SOPA Blackout [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica] #630692
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Internet wins: SOPA and PIPA both shelved
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By Timothy B. Lee | Published about 2 hours ago

Just hours after Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) announced he was delaying a vote on the PROTECT IP Act, Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX), the sponsor of the Stop Online Piracy Act, followed suit and announced he would be delaying consideration of the companion legislation.

“I have heard from the critics and I take seriously their concerns regarding proposed legislation to address the problem of online piracy," Smith said. "It is clear that we need to revisit the approach on how best to address the problem of foreign thieves that steal and sell American inventions and products."

"The Committee will continue work with both copyright owners and Internet companies to develop proposals that combat online piracy and protect America’s intellectual property," Smith continued. "We welcome input from all organizations and individuals who have an honest difference of opinion about how best to address this widespread problem." (He may want to check out our thoughts on the matter.)

Even former Senator Chris Dodd, the head of the Motion Picture Association of America, seemed to concede defeat. "With today’s announcement, we hope the dynamics of the conversation can change and become a sincere discussion about how best to protect the millions of American jobs affected by the theft of American intellectual property," he said in a statement. "It is incumbent that they now sincerely work with all of us to achieve a meaningful solution to this critically important goal."

The ideas present in both SOPA and PIPA may return, but both bills in their present form—and with their present names—are probably done for good.

A key figure in the fight against SOPA was Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA). Issa had planned to use his perch as chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee to highlight the flaws of SOPA's DNS blocking provisions. He was planning to hold a hearing featuring the testimony of actual technical experts, something that had been mysteriously missing from Smith's hearings on the bill. Wednesday's Internet protests were originally scheduled to coincide with the hearings. But Issa scrapped his hearing after receiving assurances that the DNS provisions would be dropped from SOPA. The broader protest went forward anyway.

"Supporters of the Internet deserve credit for pressing advocates of SOPA and PIPA to back away from an effort to ram through controversial legislation," Issa said in a Friday statement. "Over the last two months, the intense popular effort to stop SOPA and PIPA has defeated an effort that once looked unstoppable."

"Postponing the Senate vote on PIPA removes the imminent threat to the Internet, but it's not over yet," Issa continued. "Copyright infringement remains a serious problem and any solution must be targeted, effective, and consistent with how the Internet works."




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Re: SOPA Blackout [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica] #630750
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Yay for thes hare interwebs! But yeah, its not over, just phase one. SOPA - O, Interwebs - 1.

The "internet hate machine" Anonymous has already launched a number of DDOS attacks against Federal websites in response to the Megaupload arrests. One thing I wonder though, is that if they US Government can already do this sort of thing with RICO laws, why did they press the need for SOPA so much?

Regarding the Hong Kong based Megaupload Ltd, the four founders were arrested in New Zealand in a joint operation with US and NZ authorities, and the US Government in seeking extradition. The sole founder Kim "Mr DotCom" Schmidt is a German national.

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepercent/2012/01/actas-global-copyright-clampdo.html

The Scoop news page of the indictment;
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1201/S00108/megaupload-shutdown-and-arrests-the-indictment.htm

The Huff. Post article;
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/20/kim-dotcom-megaupload-founder_n_1218693.html

A link to a picture of the four dastardly criminals rolleyes Kim DotCom is on the far right.
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/files/p...EMPLATE=DEFAULT


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Re: SOPA Blackout [Re: BAM_233] #630783
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Originally Posted By: BAM_233
Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
Megavideo a infamous file sharing website where you can watch film and TV shows has been taken down and the people behind the website have been arrested and face conviction of up to 20 years..

Megavideo shut down


i am surprised that lasted for so long. but, why don't they go after those who uploaded the movies/tv show since they broke the piracy law as well.


You're talking thousands of uploaders for just one site. And millions all over the internet. They can't really fight it.

Megaupload/Megavideo is already up with a different address, if I'm not mistaken. Besides, you take down one website, and twenty new ones will show up. Bigger, better, and stronger.

Remember Napster?


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Originally Posted By: BAM_233
why don't they go after those who uploaded the movies/tv show since they broke the piracy law as well.

...or those who downloaded them, who also broke the law??



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Never heard of the site until reading this thread thats some bolshit they arrested the guys


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Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: BAM_233
why don't they go after those who uploaded the movies/tv show since they broke the piracy law as well.

...or those who downloaded them, who also broke the law??


okay...if thats the case then more than half the country would be paying fines and in jail

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