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Were Vito or Michael anti-semitic? *DELETED* #39992
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Re: Were Vito or Michael anti-semitic? #39993
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I never saw any conclusive evidence, either.
As discussed many times before, Vito is a composite of several NY Mafia dons. The one he comes closest to, IMO, is Frank Costello, who was a lifelong partner with Meyer Lansky. Charlie Luciano, founder of the Commission, was like a brother to Lansky and Ben Siegel. Other NYC Dons, like Vito Genovese and Joe Bonanno, refused to closely associate with Jews or any non-Italians.


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Oh, I think the GF was replete with anti-semitism. For example, did you ever notice a menhora in the film? What about blintzes at dinner or going to synagogue? No bar-mitzveh either and Connie's wedding was definitely not a Jewish wedding. Not one of the Don's soldiers was Jewish and they all apparently worked on Saturdays. Then there's the infamous command by Don Corleone: "Give it to a Jew Congressman in another district." Madonne!


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Re: Were Vito or Michael anti-semitic? #39995
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Oh, I think the GF was replete with anti-semitism. For example, did you ever notice a menhora in the film? What about blintzes at dinner or going to synagogue? No bar-mitzveh either and Connie's wedding was definitely not a Jewish wedding. Not one of the Don's soldiers was Jewish and they all apparently worked on Saturdays. Then there's the infamous command by Don Corleone: "Give it to a Jew Congressman in another district." Madonne!
In all fairness to Don Corleone, only Italians (mainly Sicilians) can be inducted into thier (and all other) Italian families. smile


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Not per se, but back in those days people pretty much stuck with their own ethnic groups and didn't even intermarry. So I suppose there might be some latent anti semitism ("So you give your loyalty to a Jew over your own blood.") but not really.


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Not per se, but back in those days people pretty much stuck with their own ethnic groups and didn't even intermarry. So I suppose there might be some latent anti semitism ("So you give your loyalty to a Jew over your own blood.") but not really.
Interesting, I did not know that. Thanks, DT! Is it like that nowadays too or more loose about ethnicity?


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Its much looser.. Back in the early 1900's there were Germian, Irish, Jewish, Italian etc sections of New York, and they barely overlapped.

True story ... the Chinese and Jewish sections of New York were both on the lower east side, and the Jewish people had never had anything like Chinese food before, and many of them developed an affinity for it because it was such a novelty.


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[b] Not per se, but back in those days people pretty much stuck with their own ethnic groups and didn't even intermarry. So I suppose there might be some latent anti semitism ("So you give your loyalty to a Jew over your own blood.") but not really.
Interesting, I did not know that. Thanks, DT! Is it like that nowadays too or more loose about ethnicity? [/b]
I grew up in a small town roughly 50% Italian, 35% Irish, with the majority of the remainig 15% being Polish/Slovak. By the 1960's, the neighborhoods were pretty mixed, except for one or two neighborhoods that were Italian.

Pretty much everyone was Catholic, but St. Anthony's was still heavily Italian, St. Mary's was mostly Irish and St. Kasimir's was Slovak. Everyone pretty much went to each others' picnics, and occasionally we'd go to the different churhes with friends' families. I don't recall any ethnic issues.

Today, there is no ethnic affiliation with the churches and it's more uncommon to find full-blooded Irish or Italians. Reading the local papers are funny in that you now frequently see names like Brendan Fanelli or Gianni Yablonski.

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Originally posted by olivant:
Oh, I think the GF was replete with anti-semitism. For example, did you ever notice a menhora in the film? What about blintzes at dinner or going to synagogue? No bar-mitzveh either and Connie's wedding was definitely not a Jewish wedding. Not one of the Don's soldiers was Jewish and they all apparently worked on Saturdays. Then there's the infamous command by Don Corleone: "Give it to a Jew Congressman in another district." Madonne!
And may I ask why these things would be there? I mean as far as I know the Corleone family is italian, and if Connie is italian, and marries and italian, then why would the family have a jewish wedding if they are catholic?

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Originally posted by I'M GERMAN-IRISH:
I wonder if anyone else remembers the interview that Coppola gave to a French film magazine while he was in Europe promoting "Apocalypse Now"? He was asked what piece of dialogue had he been forced to remove from "The Godfather" that he most regretted, and he responded;"Without a question it was a piece that Mario and I wrote before the filming of the fight between Connie and Carlo,Where Connie screams at Carlo "Why do you cheat on me with these whores!" and Carlo responds "Because you stupid guinea, I want a REAL WHITE WOMAN! who shaves under her arms, instead of her face, and doesn't stink when I'm trying to make love to her, that's why, YOU GREASY WOP!" Mario and I thought that it would sum up the self-hate of some southern Italians that they were not truly white. I think in a very small degree, it's similar to the feelings of the Black American male who sees the tall blonde white woman as the ultimate "prize".
Where exactly did you read or see this interview? confused


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Re: Were Vito or Michael anti-semitic? #40003
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Originally posted by I'M GERMAN-IRISH:
I have never read the Godfather novel, so I ask if Puzo ever goes into whether Vito or Michael show any anti-semitic feelings other than the brief comments Vito made in The Godfather about a Jewish congressman, and Michal's seemingly dismissive attitude to Pentangli's overt anti-semitic comment about Roth ("A Jew in Miami") Vito and Michael seemed to me not to take the religion of their "buisness"partners into consideration.I think that maybe Sonny who makes some racist remarks, may have been closer to Pentangli's attitude.
Two Jewish actors, James Caan and Abe Vigoda, played Italian characters. An Italian, Alex Rocco, played a Jewish character (Moe Greene).


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Re: Were Vito or Michael anti-semitic? #40004
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An Italian actor, Jon Turturro, has played every Jew except Golda Meier. lol


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TB - I hate to point you out as wrong -

But John Turturro was featured in "6 Day War - 6 Days till Christmas", a Hallmark holiday special, where he did in fact play Golda Meir (Mabovitz), as well as the ghost of Nicolo Telsa, who - using manipulation of electricity has come back from the dead to steal Christmas and help Nassar and Syria to victory during their attack on Israel.

The tele-drama didn't do well with test audiences - and was shown only in very limited markets


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The tele-drama didn't do well with test audiences - and was shown only in very limited markets
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I can see why it failed. But then they got smart and signed Anthony Quinn to play Golda. wink


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I wonder what site he is talking about rolleyes eek
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Nicolas said no, and that it sounded like the same bullsh*t that these losers on The Godfather web sites are always coming up with,
Now how would Nicky know about "The Godfather Websites" and what "theses losers" are coming up with?

So I guess that it's safe to say that now that you have made some posts here, you are now officially a "loser" from a godfather website. Congratulations! wink lol


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Originally posted by I'M GERMAN-IRISH:
Connie screams at Carlo "Why do you cheat on me with these whores!" and Carlo responds "Because you stupid guinea, I want a REAL WHITE WOMAN! who shaves under her arms, instead of her face, and doesn't stink when I'm trying to make love to her, that's why, YOU GREASY WOP!" Mario and I thought that it would sum up the self-hate of some southern Italians that they were not truly white.

I think in a very small degree, it's similar to the feelings of the Black American male who sees the tall blonde white woman as the ultimate "prize". (italics mine)
The "Black American male who sees the tall blonde white woman as the ultimate "prize"?

Was that a generalization?


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Mike was in WWII he fought for his country and mostly agasint the japs but the war was about Hitler and his master plan to get rid of all the jews,gays,gypsys,mentaly disabled people(call them retards and I'll shove it up your ass). So in a way Mike was fighting for the jews so i doubt he had any prejudice towards them.


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Mike was in WWII he fought for his country and mostly agasint the japs but the war was about Hitler and his master plan to get rid of all the jews,gays,gypsys,mentaly disabled people(call them retards and I'll shove it up your ass). So in a way Mike was fighting for the jews so i doubt he had any prejudice towards them.
Just because someone served in WWII hardly means they weren't anti-Semitic (or homophobic, or anti-gypsy, etc.). The military didn't exactly recruit by saying, "Save the Jews." It was framed as a fight to defend freedom and our way of life. Sound familiar?

Also, despite the urging of a very popular FDR, the majority of the American public was strongly OPPOSED to fighting Hitler. It took the attack on Pearl Harbor to get America (and Michael) involved.


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Michael could have been if Mel Gibson got the rile.


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"...got the rile," dt? Freudian slip? wink


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ROFLMAO TB... I didn't even edit it. Just goes to show.. "never hire a mohel who has parkinson's."


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