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Buffalo Family
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12/16/11 04:22 PM
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Mukremin
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How is the situation with the Buffalo family, i am about to release an updated chart on them. But i have sources telling the opposite, one is claiming the Tudaros have retired. Other sources are claiming that Tudaro Sr. has retired, and Junior has taken over the business. No known consiglieri at the moment, 2-3 capos. And Falzone is a high ranking member, possible underboss, or acting Boss. Total membership is around 20-25, what do you guys think? Some sources claim they are defunct, some put them on the same level as New England, Kansas City and Detroit, where there still is some mafia family left.
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Re: Buffalo Family
[Re: IvyLeague]
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12/16/11 06:43 PM
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NJBoy55
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Re: Buffalo Family
[Re: Mukremin]
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12/16/11 06:45 PM
12/16/11 06:45 PM
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Nicholas
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The Todaros legitimized that family?
I've always had an interest in the Buffalo/Rochester families and like New York, i.e. the Bonanno's they shared the designation of having crews in Canada; Hamilton/Niagra to New York Bonanno's Montreal. Fascinating family, that and the wars they had in the 70's, early 80's, particularly Rochester.
I'm one to hope a family is doing better than us nitpickers may say on Mob fanboy forums, but in my whole, honest opinion, I'd say the family is defunct.
One of the few to go defunct threw legitimate ventures and not through the early morning arrests of the FBI.
Though anytime I hear Buffalo, I think of Orange County's (Orange County, California; mind you) only real wiseguy, Jimmy Caci
"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
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Re: Buffalo Family
[Re: Nicholas]
#625220
12/16/11 07:04 PM
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Ivan
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The Todaros legitimized that family?
The Todaros themselves have pretty much gone legit. They'd have to be crazy not to, given that they've got the most successful independent pizzeria in the country and make crazy money with it. Joe Todaro Sr. is about 90 years old and probably couldn't do much even if he wanted to. Joe Jr. spends all his time working on the pizzeria. I don't think Joe III ever was a gangster.
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Re: Buffalo Family
[Re: Dapper_Don]
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12/16/11 10:14 PM
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Ivan
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Buffalo is done! i was in that pizzeria and saw Todaro Jr there like a month and a half back (im in the upstate area for school) he was a gentleman and the pizza was amazing! He's pretty funny, too. I said something like "I heard this was supposed to be the best pizzeria in town" and he pretended to be offended by the "supposed to be".
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Re: Buffalo Family
[Re: IvyLeague]
#625258
12/16/11 10:25 PM
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m2w
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They're not on the same level as New England. In my opinion, while Detroit could be argued to be on that line between "viable" and "non viable," Buffalo is the first one on the non viable side. And Kansas City would be after Buffalo. Them having a couple dozen members is due to them being in the northeast as much as anything. There's been very little activity in recent years. Mostly involving individual guys here or there and not really anything resembling a cohesive family. Much of what is thought about the current hierarchy of the family, whatever is left of it anyway, is speculation. nobody could know exactly is a family is viable or not, your only sources are the indictments but they are not enough it depends on the place... according to your logic the mafia in the 60s was weaker than today because the lack of indictments of that time? there are several factors, the indcitments and you're right, but you have to consider other factors like the level of corruption of a specific area if buffalo is more corrupt than detroit for example you get a lack of the ones in buffalo
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Re: Buffalo Family
[Re: spartan]
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12/17/11 09:13 AM
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Ivan
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No offence to anyone from Buffalo but it is one really crappy town. When I leave Toronto for Hamilton it's like going to a shit hole, but when I get into Buffalo it always strikes me at how crappy that town is. It's so close to Toronto, but like going to a different planet. I second this. It goes from pleasant to horrifying right quick.
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Re: Buffalo Family
[Re: IvyLeague]
#625326
12/17/11 10:26 AM
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phatmatress
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nobody could know exactly is a family is viable or not, your only sources are the indictments but they are not enough it depends on the place... according to your logic the mafia in the 60s was weaker than today because the lack of indictments of that time? there are several factors, the indcitments and you're right, but you have to consider other factors like the level of corruption of a specific area if buffalo is more corrupt than detroit for example you get a lack of the ones in buffalo m2w, by any chance are you related to Dan? Just wondering. lmao! its dan in disguse!
I hate Dicknoses!!!!!!
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Re: Buffalo Family
[Re: tt120]
#625389
12/17/11 03:59 PM
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Ivan
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there are tons of italians in Rochester and Buffalo. its like staten island lite up there. According to Wikipedia it's 11% Italian-American. That's a pretty substantial share of the population, and that's just the urban core - I bet it's higher in the suburbs due to all the white flight.
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Re: Buffalo Family
[Re: Mukremin]
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12/17/11 05:10 PM
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Dapper_Don
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Most of the Italians in the upstate area are white collar running non-profits, professors, working at colleges, some corporations in the area, not really the usual recruitment pool the mob gets guys from.
Rochester is another dying city (not as bad as Buffalo) but still struggling, upstate is a sad place unfortunately.
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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Re: Buffalo Family
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12/17/11 05:31 PM
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Dapper_Don
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You're currently upstate, Dapper? Just got back to the city on Thursday for winter break. I was upstate mostly since mid August. Funny thing - some of my professors (a number of Italians) occasionally will make a joke/remark about the mob one of them said a joke about loansharking one day and said the "gambini family", I wanted to correct him but obcourse didnt haha another one who is italian made a joke about bribery/cooking the books from a "Jimmy Petruzzo" aka a typical mob/italian name
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Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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Re: Buffalo Family
[Re: Dapper_Don]
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12/17/11 06:18 PM
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Ivan
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one of them said a joke about loansharking one day and said the "gambini family", I wanted to correct him but obcourse didnt haha
Whatever you do, never correct a college professor, no matter how ridiculously wrong he is. It'll earn you an enemy for the rest of your time at school. A lot of profs are egomaniacs for some reason, and they don't like to be reminded that they aren't right about everything. Status and prestige are a big deal for those people.
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Re: Buffalo Family
[Re: Ivan]
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12/18/11 02:42 AM
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Dapper_Don
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one of them said a joke about loansharking one day and said the "gambini family", I wanted to correct him but obcourse didnt haha
Whatever you do, never correct a college professor, no matter how ridiculously wrong he is. It'll earn you an enemy for the rest of your time at school. A lot of profs are egomaniacs for some reason, and they don't like to be reminded that they aren't right about everything. Status and prestige are a big deal for those people. yep you are right, i just laughed with the rest of the class lol
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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Re: Buffalo Family
[Re: m2w]
#625504
12/18/11 03:47 AM
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IvyLeague
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i don't know any dan anyway, like i told you you are wrong if you think the indictments are the only factor to show if a family is viable or not
I'll take indictments - or lack thereof - over the nonsense you pull out of thin air, any day. The Buffalo family didn't have the juice to keep hold of their main power source - LIUNA Local 210 - but they have enough juice to keep the feds and cops off their back 15 years later?
Last edited by IvyLeague; 12/18/11 04:16 AM.
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