looks like Scarcella is getting out this week...

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If vito doesn't get extradited to Italy and Francesco Del Balso, Lorenzo Giordano, and Francesco Arcadi all get parolled this year (which they are eligible for) you could certainly see the rizzuto clan take the reigns again.

I think New Yorkers have nothing to kill the do in montreal, it's a Canadian thing, me and a friend, jurgen wrote red a book about the 'Ndrangheta in Germany and I know the Calabrians have very great interest in canada in toronto gta and montreal, Salvatore montagna and the street gangs and the unfortunate Sicilian now had the chance to destroy rizzutos, and when released from prison vito he is delivered safely to Italy, greeting MG

I doubt he will be immediately transfered to Italy. He has the right to fight his extradition and has access to the best lawyers around.

that may well be but I think that he will be killed if he returns to montreal. The 'Ndrangheta of Calabria from toronto wants to take over the drug trade from montreal. You know already that the 'Ndrangheta in Canada from Italy in controlling everything is controlled from Italy. new york has nothing to do with the murder, except Salvatore Montagna.

sorry for my bad english

One of the theories is that Montagna aligned himself with Calabrian clans from Toronto which is quite interesting. Another theory is that New York was cleaning house in conjunction with the remnants of the old Cotroni faction, which seems more likely.

yes the crew cotroni some may have as to do with thinking, but if the new yorker families are involved it is not so out of hand I would think the new yorker would have enough money and power to stop the war and the rizzutos off.

many new are yorker mobster most did not know also think the FBI does not, therefore, the mobster who are not in public, not shooting and the murders but the collar in white in manhattan business do have enough power to make the Rizuttos finished

It's most likely a bit of both from what it seems. A collaboration between Toronto, NYC and old Cotroni members to get rid of the Rizzuto leadership.

The whole project seemed to be spearheaded by Montagna.

yes but do not think it was led by Montagna, but from other people of new york city

It's hard to pin point one person behind this whole fiasco, but the Bonnanos and other NYC elements definitely have a hand in all of this.

If New York has a hand in it, it would be only very slight because if you think about all the informants on the street and there is probably at least one made member of not just the Bonannos but all of the 5 families who are rats at the moment and the fact that the FBI has wiretaps,surviellance and millions of dollars put into fighting the mob, they would have heard about it by now. Plus this would be spreading like wildfire through the New York underworld if they had even a minimal role this would be the biggest thing the Bonannos have done in decades

Not necessarily. If the main faction of the Bonanno's behind the Montreal "house cleaning project" doesn't have a rat then how would they know? The other rats can only speculate.

And while the NY families certainly share common business ventures they don't broadcast to the other families about everything they are involved in or planning.

Whoever in the Bonannos who are behind this or even if they are, they would have to get permission from the upper heirarchy of the family and the capos would be approached about it, one crew in the family can't drag the whole family into a war and after the Colombos I'm pretty sure they don't want to go to war and also the top echelon of the Bonannos are under the most pressure from law enforcement so they would have found out by now

People seem to easily overlook that the Bonannos have men of their own in Montreal. So it doesn't necessarily have to be guys from New York. I do think Montagna was one of the main organizers, if not the main organizer.

I agree that Montagna played a main part in this. I was mainly saying that some people put too much stock in that the whole Bonanno family is behind it and trying to take over. But also a curious question is how close are the Bonannos in Montreal to those in New York? Vito has been in Canada, he never lived in the US so how connected is he to the U.S wiseguys. Some people in this discussion have said things like its a guy in Manhattan pulling the strings behind this and stuff like that.

For those who believe in the New York cleaning house theory:

I think its mostly canadian oc groups responsible because for the Bonannos the risk outweighs the gain and an interesting question is why now, why not in the late 90s when Vito first started going some what independent and the bonannos where a hell of alot stronger then. The Bonannos today have a little over 100 made guys with about 40-60 active on the street after you take out those who are in prison which to go to war would bring heat and Rizzuto has about that many guys to do his bidding. If they did decide to clean house the whole family would have been notified, all the capos and many soldiers and the other 5 families would find out including informants and the FBI would know about it

What I meant is that local guys who are connected to the Bonanno family had organized the take-over with approval from New York. Montagna was obviously New York's representative.

I also think it was the same assassin that killed Agostino Cun trera, Nick Sr. and carried out the attempt on Desjardins.

Forgive me if this idea or thought rather may have already been said. I tried to check through all the pages but so far I've come up with nothing.

I've been viewing these forums for a little over the greater part of a few months now but have yet to make an account until now when I felt my thoughts could be of some relevance.

Anyway, let me get on with it. With the April 11th release of Scarcella (and his associate a few days later) does anyone suspect he may be next on the hit attempt list? He is a main player in Toronto and has aligned himself closely with the Rizzutos to the point where people may see him as a threat and decide to take him out as soon as possible?

If that's the case and Scarcella does indeed get killed I think it's safe to say that when Rizzuto gets released it's not a long shot that he may be next. He may not be so untouchable like most people think he is.

Again, I apologize if it's been said and/or I've done something that is against the grain here. Thank you.

That's a good question. I think it's also telling if Scarcella will not be killed. The coming months may very well become extremely interesting.

The death's of Nick Sr. and Montagna have proven that nobody is untouchable anymore, including Vito Rizzuto.

I don't see how and why Scarcella would be eliminated. If anything he's a close link between the Siderno Group and the Sicilians in Toronto.

So far there's been no bloodshed in the GTA.

And Vito Rizzuto is godfather to his daughter.

Bonannos are not the1s killing people in canada. They have no reason to listen to new York.not1 rat from the rizzuto group so why would they align again with a family who's longtime leader just flipped.Massino even said its basically over. between them

After they wacked out George "from Canada" the Bonanno's and Rizzuto's went their own way...