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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: NJBoy55] #642510
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yes but the war against rizzuto's started suddenly after he was sent there by the americans

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not really. i believe he was deported in 2009. was summer 2010 when renda went missing. investigators believe nick rizzuto jr killing had nothing to do with power struggle, was a seperate matter

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At this point, it's safe to assume that both NYC and southern Ontario are involved. The Bonnanos still have a presence and desire to connect with Canada, but Ontario also has an interest here.

Montagna made numerous trips to Ontario in 2011 before old Nick was killed.

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nick rizzuto jr killing is clearly part of the turf war

Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: maverick] #642520
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Originally Posted By: maverick
not really. i believe he was deported in 2009. was summer 2010 when renda went missing. investigators believe nick rizzuto jr killing had nothing to do with power struggle, was a seperate matter


wrong, one rogue author stated that once. It has not been corroborated by LE nor do most authors/journalists support this idea.

Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: m2w] #642521
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Who do you think was behind Rizzuto Jr. getting killed? Magi? If not, it definitely put him between a rock and a hard place. I can only imagine a few people knew about that meeting at his office.

Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: Mussolini14] #642541
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Originally Posted By: Mussolini14
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not really. i believe he was deported in 2009. was summer 2010 when renda went missing. investigators believe nick rizzuto jr killing had nothing to do with power struggle, was a seperate matter


wrong, one rogue author stated that once. It has not been corroborated by LE nor do most authors/journalists support this idea.


One rogue author? You mean André Noël and André Cedilot? And law enforcement believes that the killing of Nick Jr. and Frederico Del Peschio have nothing to do with the other murders.


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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: KCGizzo] #642544
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Originally Posted By: KCGizzo
Who do you think was behind Rizzuto Jr. getting killed? Magi? If not, it definitely put him between a rock and a hard place. I can only imagine a few people knew about that meeting at his office.


In Mafia Inc. is it stated that law enforcement thinks that a business man with close mafia ties who felt threatened contracted street gang members to murder Del Peschio and Nick Jr. And there is every reason to believe this business man is Tony Magi.


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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: NJBoy55] #642559
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i highly doubt its not related with the others, tony magi couldn do it on his own theres clearly somebody behind

Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: Sonny_Black] #642562
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not really. i believe he was deported in 2009. was summer 2010 when renda went missing. investigators believe nick rizzuto jr killing had nothing to do with power struggle, was a seperate matter


wrong, one rogue author stated that once. It has not been corroborated by LE nor do most authors/journalists support this idea.


One rogue author? You mean André Noël and André Cedilot? And law enforcement believes that the killing of Nick Jr. and Frederico Del Peschio have nothing to do with the other murders.


I doubt and the murder of Vito's son was "unrelated" to Mob business. More so considering Magi is a suspect and has mob ties. Maybe Magi didn't have anything to do with the other murders and more people got on board with the plot after the murder of Nick Jr but Magi would have had powerful people behind him with ulterior motives IMO.

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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: NJBoy55] #642566
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Originally Posted By: Mussolini14
I doubt and the murder of Vito's son was "unrelated" to Mob business. More so considering Magi is a suspect and has mob ties. Maybe Magi didn't have anything to do with the other murders and more people got on board with the plot after the murder of Nick Jr but Magi would have had powerful people behind him with ulterior motives IMO.


I think he was secretely supported by at least Tony Mucci. One of Magi's bodyguards shared a residence with one of Mucci's bodyguards. I think it was a test to see how the Rizzutos would respond. In any case, the murders of Del Peschio and Nick Jr. are unrelated as the murders of Cun trera and Nick Sr. were organized by other individuals.


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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: Sonny_Black] #642572
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I was gonna ask who Magi was with or supported by. Couldn't be just a Haitian gang boss. You could argue the 1st murders were related to the grand scheme of things, if it was testing. It obviously got the ball rolling. Wasn't Mucci spotted in the neighborhood where the Montagna hit went down? He was in the paper up there a lot at the time, but it seemed like other stuff. Maybe LE really had a better reason to keep him off the street. Any bad blood between Rizzuto-Mucci?

Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: KCGizzo] #642617
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my opinion is nick rizzuto jr killing was the catalyst for all the following murders. they're enemies took notice and took over from there

Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: Sonny_Black] #642618
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i agree. definately points to magi

Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: KCGizzo] #642620
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i dont believe he was meeting magi at his office when he was hit. he was right across the street leaving his mistress's apartment, magi's company built the apartment complex btw. i'm from the area i was at the exact spot the day after it happened.

Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: NJBoy55] #642625
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The press has stated that he was caught while leaving Magi's office.


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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: Sonny_Black] #642626
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no he was leaving an apt across the street.. magi office is across the street, his construction company build the complex. stands to reason magi got nicks girfriend a place there as a favor, he probably knew his comings and goings too

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I doubt and the murder of Vito's son was "unrelated" to Mob business. More so considering Magi is a suspect and has mob ties. Maybe Magi didn't have anything to do with the other murders and more people got on board with the plot after the murder of Nick Jr but Magi would have had powerful people behind him with ulterior motives IMO.


I think he was secretely supported by at least Tony Mucci. One of Magi's bodyguards shared a residence with one of Mucci's bodyguards. I think it was a test to see how the Rizzutos would respond. In any case, the murders of Del Peschio and Nick Jr. are unrelated as the murders of Cun trera and Nick Sr. were organized by other individuals.


Well I think there is a very sound basis to that speculation Sonny. Do you think Magi had knowledge of what was to follow? Was the assassination attempt on his wife, whom many believe Magi was the intended target before or after the hit on Nick Jr?

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my opinion is nick rizzuto jr killing was the catalyst for all the following murders. they're enemies took notice and took over from there


I agree with this too.

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Re: The Rizzuto crime family [Re: Mussolini14] #642635
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i'm interested to see where mucci comes out in all of this. havnt hear alot from him except he's been in the news about some gun charges etc, wsa in court last week i think. he's either involved somehow or if he's not he at the very least knows who is

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Originally Posted By: Mussolini14
Well I think there is a very sound basis to that speculation Sonny. Do you think Magi had knowledge of what was to follow? Was the assassination attempt on his wife, whom many believe Magi was the intended target before or after the hit on Nick Jr?


After. And I think Tony Mucci absolutely knows who's behind the turmoil. As a matter of fact I think they all do by now. We are the ones who speculate. They aren't called a 'secret society' for nothing. Tony Mucci is involved in the highest circles of the mafia in Montreal for decades and it very much looks like he's involved in the recent ongoings.


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magi didn't do it on himself, behind him there's some mafia member, montagna, mucci or whoever, that's the point, and the murder of nicky jr is related to the others

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Well I think there is a very sound basis to that speculation Sonny. Do you think Magi had knowledge of what was to follow? Was the assassination attempt on his wife, whom many believe Magi was the intended target before or after the hit on Nick Jr?


After. And I think Tony Mucci absolutely knows who's behind the turmoil. As a matter of fact I think they all do by now. We are the ones who speculate. They aren't called a 'secret society' for nothing. Tony Mucci is involved in the highest circles of the mafia in Montreal for decades and it very much looks like he's involved in the recent ongoings.


Do you think it was the Rizzuto faction who tried to take him out, or someone of the insurgent faction like Montanga ?

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Originally Posted By: Mussolini14
Do you think it was the Rizzuto faction who tried to take him out, or someone of the insurgent faction like Montanga ?


I really don't know. But whoever was behind it, it was clearly a warning.


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it's hard to figure out whats related to what when it comes to magi. there has been attemps on his life before this war started.

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I, for one, can't wait for the true story to come out someday, as it almost always does. May not be tomorrow, but eventually somebody flips and cuts a book deal. It will be interesting to see whether this was a complete annihilation attempt on the Rizzuto clan or whether it's more of a Civil war within the Sicilians.

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yea same here. although i cant recall any high ranking montreal mobster ever cooperating, chances of that happening are slim.

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Originally Posted By: maverick
yea same here. although i cant recall any high ranking montreal mobster ever cooperating, chances of that happening are slim.

If Canadian prison sentences ever become as draconian as American prison sentences, I'd expect someone to eventually flip. But that's a pretty big if.


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totally agree. i'm from montreal, i did 3months for DUI conviction. the jail are very lenietn up here

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Originally Posted By: maverick
totally agree. i'm from montreal, i did 3months for DUI conviction. the jail are very lenietn up here


really? In the states you wouldn't see jail time for a DUI unless it was like your 3rd offense. As much as the system is more lenient in canada it seems they are more serious about crimes like DUI, DWI or any driving offense.


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totally agree. i'm from montreal, i did 3months for DUI conviction. the jail are very lenietn up here


really? In the states you wouldn't see jail time for a DUI unless it was like your 3rd offense. As much as the system is more lenient in canada it seems they are more serious about crimes like DUI, DWI or any driving offense.


very rarely would someone in Canada go to jail for a first time DUI unless they hit and killed or injured someone.

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