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From the top of my head, the poker games. At the executive game, the dealer "Sunshine" (what kind of nickname is taht) raked $300 in a pot. Are you kidding me? 3 black chips = $300. The reds and greens are for antes $25, and yellow I'm assuming is 1k or 5k. Purples are $500.

A $300 rake is beyond a joke. Even bill gates wont play in a game with a rake up to $300. Standard rake in ANY game in the world is $3-$20 at the most. I'm talking about nosebleed games underground or at casinos.

Sure they were playing pretty high like 400/800, but still, come on chase, do soem fkn research.

also, at a game that is that high, how does dealer not have a cut card? all the pot splashing, looks like these people have never played a hand of cards in their life.

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Originally Posted By: sonytoprano
From the top of my head, the poker games. At the executive game, the dealer "Sunshine" (what kind of nickname is taht) raked $300 in a pot. Are you kidding me? 3 black chips = $300. The reds and greens are for antes $25, and yellow I'm assuming is 1k or 5k. Purples are $500.

A $300 rake is beyond a joke. Even bill gates wont play in a game with a rake up to $300. Standard rake in ANY game in the world is $3-$20 at the most. I'm talking about nosebleed games underground or at casinos.

Sure they were playing pretty high like 400/800, but still, come on chase, do soem fkn research.

also, at a game that is that high, how does dealer not have a cut card? all the pot splashing, looks like these people have never played a hand of cards in their life.


I don't recall them ever stating a chip value in any episode. Just because when you play poker with your friends you assign a $25 value to the green chips and $100 to the black chips doesn't mean that everyone else does.


As for BS in the Soprano's; how about if the Jersey family boss assaulted a high ranking member in one of the big NY families as Tony did to Phil when he chased after him and then grabbed him by the throat after his red Lincoln crashed they would be in serious trouble. Also If the Jersey family whacked a boss of a NY family they would be in a lot of trouble however it can be argued that Tony paid for the move with his life depending on how you interpret the ending of the final episode. Now given that Tony told Chris that "Phil has 200 soldiers in his family" it would have to be the Genovese or Gambino's and this is all speculation but I would imagine if the Decavalcante boss Jimmy Ocean asualted a capo like Tino Fiumara or Danny Marino he could expect some serious repercussions.

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If were talking BS stuff how about the fact that a new Jersey family whacked about 30+ people in 8 years! Obviously though we needed that for our entertainment lol.

Re: total bs stuff in Sopranos [Re: Mussolini14] #617300
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Originally Posted By: Mussolini14
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From the top of my head, the poker games. At the executive game, the dealer "Sunshine" (what kind of nickname is taht) raked $300 in a pot. Are you kidding me? 3 black chips = $300. The reds and greens are for antes $25, and yellow I'm assuming is 1k or 5k. Purples are $500.

A $300 rake is beyond a joke. Even bill gates wont play in a game with a rake up to $300. Standard rake in ANY game in the world is $3-$20 at the most. I'm talking about nosebleed games underground or at casinos.

Sure they were playing pretty high like 400/800, but still, come on chase, do soem fkn research.

also, at a game that is that high, how does dealer not have a cut card? all the pot splashing, looks like these people have never played a hand of cards in their life.


I don't recall them ever stating a chip value in any episode. Just because when you play poker with your friends you assign a $25 value to the green chips and $100 to the black chips doesn't mean that everyone else does.


As for BS in the Soprano's; how about if the Jersey family boss assaulted a high ranking member in one of the big NY families as Tony did to Phil when he chased after him and then grabbed him by the throat after his red Lincoln crashed they would be in serious trouble. Also If the Jersey family whacked a boss of a NY family they would be in a lot of trouble however it can be argued that Tony paid for the move with his life depending on how you interpret the ending of the final episode. Now given that Tony told Chris that "Phil has 200 soldiers in his family" it would have to be the Genovese or Gambino's and this is all speculation but I would imagine if the Decavalcante boss Jimmy Ocean asualted a capo like Tino Fiumara or Danny Marino he could expect some serious repercussions.


hey kid, in the gambling world, to assign any other denomination to those chips would be , any degenerate high roller knows that. green = 25 , black =100, purple=500, yellow/orange= 1000/5000
as to ny vs nj, yeah ny is portrayed too incompetent. i was wondering too where the fucks the other 200 soldiers ...in iraq?

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Originally Posted By: NickyScarfo
If were talking BS stuff how about the fact that a new Jersey family whacked about 30+ people in 8 years! Obviously though we needed that for our entertainment lol.


Yah it's funny, I've said that before, you got what's a already a small family and in less then a decade something like 20 members are killed or die off, if I wasn't so lazy I would do the count but it's got to be atleast 20.

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From the top of my head, the poker games. At the executive game, the dealer "Sunshine" (what kind of nickname is taht) raked $300 in a pot. Are you kidding me? 3 black chips = $300. The reds and greens are for antes $25, and yellow I'm assuming is 1k or 5k. Purples are $500.

A $300 rake is beyond a joke. Even bill gates wont play in a game with a rake up to $300. Standard rake in ANY game in the world is $3-$20 at the most. I'm talking about nosebleed games underground or at casinos.

Sure they were playing pretty high like 400/800, but still, come on chase, do soem fkn research.

also, at a game that is that high, how does dealer not have a cut card? all the pot splashing, looks like these people have never played a hand of cards in their life.


I don't recall them ever stating a chip value in any episode. Just because when you play poker with your friends you assign a $25 value to the green chips and $100 to the black chips doesn't mean that everyone else does.


As for BS in the Soprano's; how about if the Jersey family boss assaulted a high ranking member in one of the big NY families as Tony did to Phil when he chased after him and then grabbed him by the throat after his red Lincoln crashed they would be in serious trouble. Also If the Jersey family whacked a boss of a NY family they would be in a lot of trouble however it can be argued that Tony paid for the move with his life depending on how you interpret the ending of the final episode. Now given that Tony told Chris that "Phil has 200 soldiers in his family" it would have to be the Genovese or Gambino's and this is all speculation but I would imagine if the Decavalcante boss Jimmy Ocean asualted a capo like Tino Fiumara or Danny Marino he could expect some serious repercussions.


hey kid, in the gambling world, to assign any other denomination to those chips would be
, any degenerate high roller knows that. green = 25 , black =100, purple=500, yellow/orange= 1000/5000
as to ny vs nj, yeah ny is portrayed too incompetent. i was wondering too where the fucks the other 200 soldiers ...in iraq?



Finish your point. To assign any other denomination would be what?

I'm just pointing out they could be only worth $5 or $10 we don't know. I could have missed it but I don't remember them talking about the values.

Also about the killing in the Soprano's I think the closest actual family to kill so many would have been Philly under Scarfo.

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it would be a sin. its unprofessional, sloppy, confusing, and disorganized.

clearly they followed the standard denominations. they raked $80k in that game. That is unbelievable, if the rake is 80k from a 5-6 handed game. Nobody could be a winner if the rake is that high.

it is common knowledge in the poker/gambling world that those are the standard denominations. google "$25 chip" and look up the images, i guarantee most are green. google "$100 chip" and they'll all be black and so on. So no, its not just my home game.

here's another thing that is kind of bs but out of their control: how could AJ possibly be so short? sure he takes on carmela's side of the family according to tony, but he's fucking shorter than carmela, hugh and the mother! Maybe david chase should have made him adopted, make things more interesting.

tony's attempted killers: are they really that incompetent? i wouldnt be able to make up this story. they miss at point blank like 4 times a target as big as tony, and then tony grabs the guys gun in the drivers seat from the passenger side while fighting off another guy. not possible. maybe thats why tony started laughing his ass off when he got away.

the mustang sally hit: during the struggle, mustang sally reaches for his own gun and grabs it and there is nothing blocking him from shooting old man baccala, but his arm seems to be stuck in mid air. while unable to hold off old man baccala and gets capped.

phil leotardo putting benny in the emergency room: he hit him with a wooden walking cane several times, not enough to put benny in the emergency room like that unless there was knife attached to the cane that i missed.

tony blundetto finding the 13k and crack: why would the speeding lexus throw away the 13k? why not just the crack? it would have been a lot more discreet to throw away the crack, no following vehicle would have even noticed the little capsules in the dark. last time i checked, it wasn't illegal to have 13k cash on u... especially when you're already driving a lexus.
















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Originally Posted By: sonytoprano
it would be a sin. its unprofessional, sloppy, confusing, and disorganized.

clearly they followed the standard denominations. they raked $80k in that game. That is unbelievable, if the rake is 80k from a 5-6 handed game. Nobody could be a winner if the rake is that high.

it is common knowledge in the poker/gambling world that those are the standard denominations. google "$25 chip" and look up the images, i guarantee most are green. google "$100 chip" and they'll all be black and so on. So no, its not just my home game.

here's another thing that is kind of bs but out of their control: how could AJ possibly be so short? sure he takes on carmela's side of the family according to tony, but he's fucking shorter than carmela, hugh and the mother! Maybe david chase should have made him adopted, make things more interesting.

tony's attempted killers: are they really that incompetent? i wouldnt be able to make up this story. they miss at point blank like 4 times a target as big as tony, and then tony grabs the guys gun in the drivers seat from the passenger side while fighting off another guy. not possible. maybe thats why tony started laughing his ass off when he got away.

the mustang sally hit: during the struggle, mustang sally reaches for his own gun and grabs it and there is nothing blocking him from shooting old man baccala, but his arm seems to be stuck in mid air. while unable to hold off old man baccala and gets capped.

phil leotardo putting benny in the emergency room: he hit him with a wooden walking cane several times, not enough to put benny in the emergency room like that unless there was knife attached to the cane that i missed.

tony blundetto finding the 13k and crack: why would the speeding lexus throw away the 13k? why not just the crack? it would have been a lot more discreet to throw away the crack, no following vehicle would have even noticed the little capsules in the dark. last time i checked, it wasn't illegal to have 13k cash on u... especially when you're already driving a lexus.

















While I agree with some of what your saying any show can be nitpicked and they always jazz up shows/movies. That being said it is fun to discuss the screw ups. About the 13k being tossed, under panicked situations people do stupid things. If there were more than one maybe the guy who throw it forgot for a split second that the $ were in there. I'm sure he regretted it later. Benny being turned into a vegetable from a 65 year man hitting him with a can 3-4 times is a little much. They could have shown Phil and the other goons he was with at least boot stomping him to make it a little more believable.

Re: total bs stuff in Sopranos [Re: Mussolini14] #617434
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I also agree that the show stretched the realism to the hilt many times.

As far as AJ's height?

Well, Robert Iler was only 12 years old when he was cast in the role. I'm willing to give Chase the benefit of the doubt on that one. How could he have predicted whether or not the kid would be as tall as Edie Falco or James Gandolfini?

If you want to get nitpicky about physical appearance, both Falco and Gandolfini are fair skinned Italian Americans, while Jamie Lynn Sigler is darker complected (I think she's half Cuban, half Jewish). She doesn't resemble either of them. But her portrayal of a spoiled suburban kid was so spot on, you'd never think to go there. Both kids did a GREAT job in the roles.

I think we all agree that the biggest stretch was the ongoing storyline about the Jersey family waging an even halfway successful war on New York. Tony getting up and walking out of Carmine's club in season 4 was so ridiculous that I usually fast forward it. I don't care if the Esplenade was in Jersey or not, Tony should have considered himself lucky to get in for even a small percentage.

They should have based the Soprano family on either the Genovese of Lucchese Jersey crew. That way the whole New York thing might have been more believeable.


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I know the other family is bigger than his and that but he cant act like a punk either cause end of the day the guys a gangleader with a bunch of sociopaths lookin to him for leadership. If he acts like a pussy everytime someone bigger tries to mess with him his own people would probably kill him or he wouldnt have made to that position in the first place.

Also they liked killed and robbed a whole bunch of columbian drug dealers which i dont find very believable as they dont seem to have any drug deals or any clout within the drug world except a bit of ectacy. I think they should have developed that storyline.

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Agree with that. The aftermath of that was like, what, a triple homicide? Actions like those have consequences, same for many other felonies which were committed without taking DNA testing/modern CSI in to account.

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I know the other family is bigger than his and that but he cant act like a punk either cause end of the day the guys a gangleader with a bunch of sociopaths lookin to him for leadership. If he acts like a pussy everytime someone bigger tries to mess with him his own people would probably kill him or he wouldnt have made to that position in the first place.

Also they liked killed and robbed a whole bunch of columbian drug dealers which i dont find very believable as they dont seem to have any drug deals or any clout within the drug world except a bit of ectacy. I think they should have developed that storyline.


They reference coke deals fairly regularly throughout the show. Tony was pissed because Ritchie Aprile and Junior were selling it on the garbage routes. Plus they robbed the Colombians of cash not drugs. You find it hard to believe the mob would rob other criminals of ill gotten money?


Also I don't know that the body count is too unrealistic. I think there were 20-25 murders in about 7-8 years. The Philly family under Scarfo had over 30 murders in the same amount of time I think.

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There have been several real life examples of mob guys ripping off from drug dealers. And the DeCavalcantes, who the Soprano family (an indigenous family in Jersey) is based on, don't seem to have much involvement in drugs. So that part makes sense. It was a means of getting some quick money. Not fighting over drug turf.

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yeah, the local cops are nonexistent. every crime committed, there is plenty of evidence everywhere and enough to put them away for multiple life sentences. And guess what they come up with, airline tickets and a gun charge? that could have been a little more realistic.

i mean, just look at the jackie jr. card game robbery. dino's brains splattered in the streets, sunshine dead, etc. no word from the cops.

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Also the hit on Patsy Parisi's brother, Gigi leaves his prints all over the car door etc!

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I agree that they are capable of ripping off other criminals but when paulie kills that first columbian as a message in season 1 he says that they were warned which means the columbians must have known it was them but their was no retaliation for it. The later columbian killings in season 6 seemed more to do with robbing them than sending a message even though they werent wearing ski masks or anything and why do they always kill people with their jogging suits on.

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Originally Posted By: Scorsese
I agree that they are capable of ripping off other criminals but when paulie kills that first columbian as a message in season 1 he says that they were warned which means the columbians must have known it was them but their was no retaliation for it. The later columbian killings in season 6 seemed more to do with robbing them than sending a message even though they werent wearing ski masks or anything and why do they always kill people with their jogging suits on.


What Colombians were killed in season 6? refresh my memory. Thanks

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Paulie and some other fat guy killed three of them and then found loads of cash stashed in a dishwasher. I think it was whilst tony was in a coma.

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Paulie and some other fat guy killed three of them and then found loads of cash stashed in a dishwasher. I think it was whilst tony was in a coma.


Oh yah and one of them kicks Paulie in the groin lol.

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I agree with a lot of bullshit in the Sopranos. i loved the show but being a big mafia buff i noticed a lot of unrealstic situations. as someone mentioned there would never be that many killings in this day and age. The amount of mafia killings has gone down big time since the early 90's. Also I didn't like that they portrayed jersey mafia just as strong and even stronger than a top new york family. First of all the sopranos are based on the Decalvacante Family who basically were the minor league mafia and did everything that the new york families told them to do. Also It is unlikely that tony would keep escaping jailtime in this day and age. i know he is the main character but i am just talking about being realistic

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The way tony killed ralph was unrealistic


And the adrianna and the fed situation was retarded. How much info was the agent really gonna get by hanging around with ade

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The way tony killed ralph was unrealistic


And the adrianna and the fed situation was retarded. How much info was the agent really gonna get by hanging around with ade
yeah ralphies killing was weak for hbo standards...he should have been shot or bludgen to death..not a 2 sec choke


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Janice killing richie with olivia upstairs was also stupid. Richie was building into a great character and that's how they write him off ?

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Also I didn't like that they portrayed jersey mafia just as strong and even stronger than a top new york family. First of all the sopranos are based on the Decalvacante Family who basically were the minor league mafia and did everything that the new york families told them to do

Damn right. Funny how Sopranos sometimes really punched the big guys from New York stright in the face. In real life - it'd be a freaking death assignment.

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I wish Janice would have been left out the series. I like the Jersey people. But I did enjoy the series I like to watch it over again. There were things in the Godfather , Casino , that aren't all right. The funny thing life is not right we as people aren't perfect take the best Diamond in the world and there is gonna be a flaw in it . So like it or don't .

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Originally Posted By: Fitzy
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Also I didn't like that they portrayed jersey mafia just as strong and even stronger than a top new york family. First of all the sopranos are based on the Decalvacante Family who basically were the minor league mafia and did everything that the new york families told them to do

Damn right. Funny how Sopranos sometimes really punched the big guys from New York stright in the face. In real life - it'd be a freaking death assignment.

Ya i understand that since the main character has to be invincible in a tv show but it's an insult to think that a small mafia family in jersey can beat a top NY Family like i said anybody who knows mob history knows that is utter bullshit.

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1st season when the Feds are handing out enditements, pussy is burning stuff in the backyard with a heavy-set blonde woman who is dressed up from the wedding. Not his wife in later seasons and i doubt that was his girlfriend.

When Christopher goes to the deli to pick up cannollis and he shoots the bakery guy in the foot for taking the customer before him. The customer was Vito and the bakery guy called him Gent. If Vito was a Capo or soldier at this time in the Soprano family, Christopher would have known him and backed down and/or Vito wouldn't have backed down.

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how about the scene when artie pulls a shotgun on tony in the first season ?? In what world can u pull a gun on the boss of a family without any repercussions??

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Originally Posted By: thebarber

how about the scene when artie pulls a shotgun on tony in the first season ?? In what world can u pull a gun on the boss of a family without any repercussions??


I think it was a rifle but I see what you're saying. wink


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Originally Posted By: thebarber

how about the scene when artie pulls a shotgun on tony in the first season ?? In what world can u pull a gun on the boss of a family without any repercussions??


Artie and Tony where mates from the old days and went to school together, i think that they had this special relationship and only Artie could do that and get away with it. In the early seasons they had a lot of good scenes together, i especially like the food fight they have in Tony's kitchen. When Artie tries to kill himself, that's where there relationship changes and we see less of him.


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