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Re: Getting Made in the Modern Age
[Re: m2w]
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10/25/11 06:51 PM
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blond people in sicily are very little the vast majority are dark
you can find more blond and even red in campania
in north italy the average of blond people is higher by far than south Well, you're absolutely wrong about this. No, blonde/blue or green eyes are not the majority, but they are nowhere near as rare as you're indicating. I do agree with you on the other issue though about made guys in north Italy, etc.
Last edited by carmela; 10/25/11 09:54 PM.
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Re: Getting Made in the Modern Age
[Re: pizzaboy]
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10/25/11 07:08 PM
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Now mind you, I'm speaking of the American mob. I''d be willing to bet that, over the years, at least one guy who's family came from north of Rome slipped through the cracks.
And that's a bet you would win PB. Aniello Dellacroce's roots go back to Northern Italy, as do Sam Battaglia's, and Frank Mirra's. I'm sure there must be others.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Getting Made in the Modern Age
[Re: NickyScarfo]
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10/26/11 12:56 AM
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You've made those kind of blanket statements before without taking variables into account. I think Lilo's right, or at least there's a high chance.
Once again, just because a certain name has a certain origin does not mean it cannot be used by anyone living outside the area. FWIW, Id take Lilo's opine into more account.
Like Lilo mentioned, Im sure there's more.
m2w, do you have actual proof that Crea, Leo etc etc are southerners through and through, or do you make those claims because you simply believe "no northerner was ever made into the mafia"?
As I said earlier, I dont believe its some mafia gene inherent only in southern Italians that precludes northern Italian-American criminals from being able to be gangsters.
To clarify, Im not claiming that there's inducted northerners in Italy itself. But the American dynamic is very different, the melting pot theory is well documented.
(cough.)
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Re: Getting Made in the Modern Age
[Re: m2w]
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10/26/11 04:48 AM
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aniello dellacroce was southern italian aniello is a name used in southern italy only I am no expert nor do I pretend to be on Italian name etymology for turn of century immigrant families.  But the publicly available information I've read indicates that Dellacroce's immigrant family was from the Veneto region. If you have evidence otherwise I would certainly change my opinion.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Getting Made in the Modern Age
[Re: Ivan]
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10/26/11 02:03 PM
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It is grammatically incorrect in Italian (like I said, in Italian it sounds like "the our thing"). I'm guessing the American guys who use it don't know the Italian language all that well. The Sicilians would have never said "la" to begin with.
I think the FBI may have actually been the first to use the "la", but I'm not sure why. Nonetheless, the mistake seems to have become permanent. I just remembered - wasn't it Gotti who was caught on a bug complaining about people mentioning the name "La Cosa Nostra" and that the FBI would jump on just "La"? Or was that someone else and I'm just thinking of him for "This is gonna be a Cosa Nostra"?
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Re: Getting Made in the Modern Age
[Re: Lenin_and_McCarthy]
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10/26/11 02:21 PM
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I just remembered - wasn't it Gotti who was caught on a bug complaining about people mentioning the name "La Cosa Nostra" and that the FBI would jump on just "La"? Yeah, that was Gotti. Those were the apartment tapes. If I remember correctly, he was in a tirade about guys getting caught on tape using the words cosa nostra. He said something to the effect that "if they even get caught saying 'la' they're going." Of course the irony is that Gotti put more words on tape than the Beatles.
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Re: Getting Made in the Modern Age
[Re: LuanKuci]
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10/26/11 04:08 PM
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Anyone that says that Southern Italians\Italian-Americans have a "mob-gene" is sadly delusional. Of course. The notion is ludicrous. Yet some people seem to buy into it.
(cough.)
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Re: Getting Made in the Modern Age
[Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica]
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10/26/11 04:43 PM
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You've made those kind of blanket statements before without taking variables into account. I think Lilo's right, or at least there's a high chance.
Once again, just because a certain name has a certain origin does not mean it cannot be used by anyone living outside the area. FWIW, Id take Lilo's opine into more account.
Like Lilo mentioned, Im sure there's more.
m2w, do you have actual proof that Crea, Leo etc etc are southerners through and through, or do you make those claims because you simply believe "no northerner was ever made into the mafia"?
As I said earlier, I dont believe its some mafia gene inherent only in southern Italians that precludes northern Italian-American criminals from being able to be gangsters.
To clarify, Im not claiming that there's inducted northerners in Italy itself. But the American dynamic is very different, the melting pot theory is well documented. Crea is of Venetian\Bolognese descent...'cos I say SO!
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Re: Getting Made in the Modern Age
[Re: m2w]
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10/26/11 10:40 PM
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i never claim there is a 'mafia-gene', the question is that the mafia is a south italy phenomen and you have to be born inside this mentality, completely different from north italian one
even tony senter was not made because north italian, imagine the others
I agree with you. It's not a mafia gene. But it is the mentality of the southern people that they are born with. I dont know why people are arguing with you on this with the northern people not being made, I thought it was common knowledge.
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Re: Getting Made in the Modern Age
[Re: carmela]
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10/26/11 11:00 PM
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i never claim there is a 'mafia-gene', the question is that the mafia is a south italy phenomen and you have to be born inside this mentality, completely different from north italian one
even tony senter was not made because north italian, imagine the others
I agree with you. It's not a mafia gene. But it is the mentality of the southern people that they are born with. I dont know why people are arguing with you on this with the northern people not being made, I thought it was common knowledge. Pretty funny that the people of northern Italy supposingly look down on the southerners as second class citizens and the people of southern Italy look down on the northeners as not being up to snuff for their criminal world.  Do i have that correct Miss Carmela? 
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Re: Getting Made in the Modern Age
[Re: LeroyJones]
#618562
10/26/11 11:20 PM
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i never claim there is a 'mafia-gene', the question is that the mafia is a south italy phenomen and you have to be born inside this mentality, completely different from north italian one
even tony senter was not made because north italian, imagine the others
I agree with you. It's not a mafia gene. But it is the mentality of the southern people that they are born with. I dont know why people are arguing with you on this with the northern people not being made, I thought it was common knowledge. Pretty funny that the people of northern Italy supposingly look down on the southerners as second class citizens and the people of southern Italy look down on the northeners as not being up to snuff for their criminal world. Do i have that correct Miss Carmela? Why, Mr. Jones, I think you've got it. Very very CUTE.  The northerners are polentoni (polenta eaters) and the southerners are terroni (terrorists). Those are their words, not mine.
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Re: Getting Made in the Modern Age
[Re: NickyScarfo]
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10/27/11 12:47 AM
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Obviously Italy's a different place. But criminally inclined Italian-Americans, that far removed from their heritage, the fact that the last name ends in a vowel and you are a criminal is pretty much enough to get you made in the American LCN.
FYI, Im of the opinion that Tony Senter was never made for the same reason that Joey Testa was not; they were in prison for life before they really got anywhere above being DeMeo's muscle. Also, they were both creepy fucks. Not that the last one precludes induction, but I think if they'd had another few years on the streets, at least Testa would've been made. Maybe even Senter.
Last edited by Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica; 10/27/11 12:48 AM.
(cough.)
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Re: Getting Made in the Modern Age
[Re: NickyScarfo]
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10/27/11 05:06 AM
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In fact, they may have even gone as far conducting an extensive genealogical study on Senter, determing his lineage and bloodlines to ensure they were up to scratch and he was worthy of LCN;
random wiseguy: "Hey Anthony, you Italian?"
Senter: "Yup"
random wiseguy: "...you sure?"
Senter: "Uh.Yup"
random wiseguy: "Hey fella's, its alright he's Italian! Okay, you're in".
Senter: Sweet.
random wiseguy: "...stop being such a creepy fuck"
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Re: Getting Made in the Modern Age
[Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica]
#618682
10/28/11 01:23 AM
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FYI, Im of the opinion that Tony Senter was never made for the same reason that Joey Testa was not; they were in prison for life before they really got anywhere above being DeMeo's muscle. Also, they were both creepy fucks. Not that the last one precludes induction, but I think if they'd had another few years on the streets, at least Testa would've been made. Maybe even Senter.
I agree also. Senter would been made in my eyes though; albeit with a lot of wiseguys askin, "Yo, Senter? What part of the boot is that fuckin' name from?"
"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
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Re: Getting Made in the Modern Age
[Re: pizzaboy]
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10/28/11 01:44 AM
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I just remembered - wasn't it Gotti who was caught on a bug complaining about people mentioning the name "La Cosa Nostra" and that the FBI would jump on just "La"? Yeah, that was Gotti. Those were the apartment tapes. If I remember correctly, he was in a tirade about guys getting caught on tape using the words cosa nostra. He said something to the effect that "if they even get caught saying 'la' they're going." Of course the irony is that Gotti put more words on tape than the Beatles. more ironic too; not only did gotti put more words on tape than the beatles, but wasn't he himself constantly saying "Cosa Nostra" on tape? "This is a Cosa Nostra", "We are a Cosa Nostra", etc...
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