nice, temple is a good school one of my frat bros is in their dental graduate school, well because I want to maintain a level of anonymity online i wont tell you where i got to school now except its an ivy league school in a small town on the east coast and i got my ba from a small private liberal arts school in upstate ny, btw just so rossato knows and stops bitching this didnt cost my parents who immigrated here nothing i am all on scholarships, i was born and raised in the bronx am an american citizen

yeah ur still not a working man . ur an imagrant n ur on a scholarship? u get your course fees paid for u dorm paid for u n everything? in my eyes that aint a working man thats a spoilt little bitchs life. in scotland u goty pay your own way through university

Yeah? Well fuck Scotland!

LMAOOOOOOO

listen to u 2 lol u 2 spoiled little brats probly dont work live of mom n dady , wouldnt know a days work if it hit on in the face

rossato got banned thank god.


Anyways the family i have a question about is KC?? Some sources say they are still a active family with a heirarchy and 20-30 soldiers othere say they are defunct. Anybody have any insight on this family?

KC is one of those Families. Certain people will swear till they're blue in the face that its still going strong, and that no significant indictments over the last few decades just means that wiseguys there have perfected the art of evading the law.

Although there may be a few made guys getting around (very slowly with canes and walkers) or a couple guys still keeping a book, it does not mean that there is still a formally structured heirarchy and organization. By this point, if anything the KC Family is a "glorified crew".

Having said that, there has been some recent charges and indictments centered around the Sansone brothers and their bookmaking operations. They are related to Tony Ripes Civella. Also, if I remember correctly, indictments involving a relative of Willie the Rat, although I may be wrong about that last one.

In any case, the days of a properly structured LCN cell are almost definitely long gone. I handful of bookies a Family doesn't make.

Check the archives dude; there's a bunch of stuff posted on the Sansone's and others. The search function really takes the work out of it.

Some excerpts from an article in the Kansas City Star after the gambling bust -

"What’s accused here is exactly what Kansas City mob figures were convicted of a generation ago," said retired FBI agent Jeff Lanza. "However, on its face, it doesn’t represent a resurgence of the Kansas City mob to anything near what they were in our city’s past."

"All of the assets that made the mob what it was — the Teamsters union, political connections and ties to other families — are all gone," Ouseley said. "Whatever’s left doesn’t have access to the power sources that the Civella group had."

http://www.peepsplace.com/showthread.php?t=259320

Almost missed this amongst all the gibberish that scottish cock-sucker was posting.

D'Elia's an interesting guy for sure. I could never quite understand how as an actual boss he would let the Family just disintegrate. Was there really not one guy he thought he could make in all that time?

Ivy answered some of my questions about D'Elia a while back, it was about the time they were moving him round different prisons a lot and the Louie DeNaples thing was still going on. You may well have read it already, but just in case it's;
http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=573048

I think I missed that post by BarretM too. If memory serves, the Bufalinos (like Pittsburgh) were one of the families that NY put a freeze on as far as making new members. So general attrition quickly took it's toll. And, as said, they were always a relatively small family anyway.

Why would the NY families do that?

yeah what was the reason for the freeze i know they did that buy why?

WHAT?
The Tocco family can be called the "most succesfull" crim family of the US.
No serious indictments in the past 10 years, no cooperating witnesses and all members are blood\marriage releted.
If you don't hear about them in the news it doesn't mean that they aren't out there making money.

Kansas City:
http://bitterqueen.typepad.com/friends_of_ours/william-cammisano

i agree with ivy on this one.....the feds are just too high tec now for an active family to not have anything brought up. if they are out making money its not much

If you want to believe that, it's your choice. But no indictments tends to mean little activity. More indictments tends to mean more activity. Why do you think there are always indictments in New York but none in Milwaukee or Denver?

And I'm aware of that Detroit mob video that came out, where the ad calls the Detroit mob the "most successful." But that really isn't true. Nor is the article about the family recently posted in another thread, which says they haven't slowed down. Not surprisingly, both come from some of the same sources.

Maybe not, but I believe it shows that the rackets they are into these days are returning that much less, and are therefore considered less of an organised crime threat. Like Phat said.

Nobody's saying that Detroit is completely gone, just that they're a shadow of their former selves.

On another note, as much as I like Burnstein's work, I know that not everyone agrees with his opinions. Still, I personally believe the truth is somewhere in the middle; that is, they're definitely not as strong as some claim but not completely defanged as some others do.

how could anyone consider the tocco family more sucessful than say the genevosee gambinos or even scarfo/bruno families????

True that. NY is like the template.

Some people may say a family that is more quiet and less chaotic is more successful. Which is true to an extent. But today, relative inactivity gets mistaken for that too often.

Its all a opinoin on what you think a successful crime family is. If its all about making $ then the NY families are the most successful. If u like to make a good living and stay out of the can some of yur smaller families wud b considered more successful . New England and Philly ( up to recently) are good examples

It probably doesn't make any sense to say, but after the capture of that giant, almost mythical crocodile today I think everything is possible, even for the Detroit mob.

Holy hell I just saw that crocodile thing. Thats insane. That croc is bloody huge!

Supposedly, the infamous "Gustave" in Africa is at least as big, if not bigger, than the recently captured croc in the Philippines. You first see him at about 3:00 in the video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDhEBgcPVtY

Far out thats a big croc! We get huge one's too in my state (Western Australia) very dangerous. Haha never did I think we would discuss crocodiles on an organized crime thread!

Gustave is estimated to be about 20 feet. He's likely the biggest one in Africa and possibly one of the biggest Nile Crocodiles ever, but there are saltwater crocodiles who are bigger than him.

If I had to choose betweem him and the one captured in the Philippines, i would put my money one the Philippines giant. But in Africa, Gustave is the capo di tutti capi where he rules with an iron fist. This SOB outsmarted the scientists and hunters who tried to capture him.

But we can better discuss this at this topic I made:

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=613776#Post613776

What's the LCN status of buffalo ?? Some people say they r dead some say they r still active

The last decade doesn't show much in the way of a cohesive, viable family. They lost their main source of power when LIUNA was put under trusteeship in 1996. It was declared free of organized crime influence in 2006. There's been a handful of cases here and there, in both Buffalo and Rochester, but mostly involving individual members or associates. The Todaros appear to be retired for all intents and purposes. Them still having as many made guys as they do is probably due to them being in the northeast as much as anything. But I don't know how much stock I put in any current organizational charts. For me, they're on the "non-viable" list, right behind Detroit.

I thought "Gustave" was that "tamed" white crocodile that was captured and now is in some zoo.