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"The Butcher" Philip Carlo review #611689
08/19/11 08:09 PM
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I just started reading this book and was excited to see there was a book on Tommy Pitera but the first 100 pages I read Pitera is mentioned in only 37. It does have a good chapter on Galante's murder but it seems Carlo never interviewed Pitera or his family that he redundantly goes over and over the same information and descriptions of Pitera. Like, I said I just finished page 100. Do you guys have any thoughts or comments on this book and Carlo?

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Re: "The Butcher" Philip Carlo review [Re: Caramela77] #613108
08/31/11 12:35 AM
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i plan on reading it once i am done with school since i got tons of shit i got to read anyways


he didnt interview pitera obcourse


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Re: "The Butcher" Philip Carlo review [Re: Dapper_Don] #613145
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I finished it and hated it. It's sad it took Carlo 10 years to write this he tried to make money off a guy (Pitera) who is standup and would not talk about his past by doing a bio on him when there is no bio. The only thing, I liked about it was the list of names such as agents, associates and espically photos of Pitera and some of his associates.

Re: "The Butcher" Philip Carlo review [Re: Caramela77] #613160
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I reviewed that book here


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: "The Butcher" Philip Carlo review [Re: Caramela77] #613375
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I just can't stand carlo's writing. also i find that most of his books are full of BS.


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Re: "The Butcher" Philip Carlo review [Re: Caramela77] #613575
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I actually didn't mind this book. Sure, Carlo was a bit of a hack journalist, but he was a decent writer IMO. True, Carlo's work was too full off sloppy inaccuracies to be taken at complete face value, like we do Capeci or Anastasia or such of that calibre.

Still, I feel like he at least offered some insight into the actual character and mindset of guys like Gaspipe Casso, Frank Gangi and Kuklinski through his books, though in that last example of course, it seems like Kuklinski would have talked to anybody willing to listen. Which in a way could be said about all the guys Carlo actually interviewed and spent time with.


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Re: "The Butcher" Philip Carlo review [Re: Lilo] #613577
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Originally Posted By: Lilo
I reviewed that book here



Lilo great review on the book thanks for posting it..

Re: "The Butcher" Philip Carlo review [Re: Caramela77] #616632
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Lilo...fantastic review. Even though i'm not a HUGE Carlo fan, I certainly liked Gaspipe better than The Butcher... Maybe that was because there was more personal interaction with the subject than with Pitera. But I have to say Pitera was VERY interesting.

Re: "The Butcher" Philip Carlo review [Re: Caramela77] #616707
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Thanks.


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: "The Butcher" Philip Carlo review [Re: Caramela77] #640269
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It's was terrible. Didn't really detail things and kept repeating things all over again. He had to tell a story based in Canada to expand the book


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Re: "The Butcher" Philip Carlo review [Re: short841] #642418
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I've read the Carlo books - 'The Iceman', 'The Butcher' and 'Gaspipe', whilst I genuinely enoyed reading them all I do think they were more like stories and his own opinions as oppose genuine well documented fact. I appreciate that in the criminal underworld it must be very difficult to ever truely convey anything as gospel truth but ultimately when it came to these 3 books there were too many inaccuracies. As said previously though all were still a good read.


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