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Re: Carmine Galante [Re: SinatraClub] #866872
11/17/15 04:41 AM
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Funny thing, at this time I think the power lied with Sonny Reds faction, he basically controlled a third of the family capos, his mistake was thinking that this power enabled him to not pay for Sicilian heroin, which made them betray him.Also,on the hits being Bonnano guys, I think its kinda mob etiquette that if its your problem you should be able to handle it, especially if you want the power.
Think when Gotti hit Paul, in his book Sammy says the hitters were all,from Johns crew cause it was basically his problem.
Or the three capos, it was to protect their heroin pipeline, so they actually brought in a shooter from Canada, as well as using George for the setup, that wasn't really necessary, but it was if they want to hold onto their interest from a position of strength...

They did use em for cleanup though they did a terrible job.(maybe thats why they weren't used, this was a hit that couldn't be fucked up)

Re: Carmine Galante [Re: CabriniGreen] #866873
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Another classic example is the Anastasia hit, you hear for years it was the Gallos, but in actuality it came from Carlos people the Armones, cause again, it was his problem,...
Any thoughts?

Re: Carmine Galante [Re: Caramela77] #866875
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This is a good example of how power affects the mob..
Rastellis power seem to be that he had legitimacy, he was the official boss, but wasnt like rich or anything.
In the Donnie Brasco book, Lefty said that Sonny Blacks power was that he was close to Rastelli, but Rastelli is locked up, so he knew peace on their terms wasn't really a long term option without bloodshed at some point.
Think of it like this, what if Galante relents and shares the drugs?
The Commision might have just ousted Rastelli. Sonny Red made the same mistake, let's say he doesn't fuck the Sicilians, he had Chin with him, plus five crews, I think he was too arrogant though..
You know another interesting guy? Frank Garofolo, the underboss before Galante and Bonaventre, another major heavyweight, what I find weird is that one of his associates had the biggest construction company in NY at the time, makes me wonder when the Concrete Club took shape, WITHOUT the Bonnanos, any thoughts?

Re: Carmine Galante [Re: Caramela77] #866882
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To me the power breaks down like this;
Rastelli is boss, but ineffectual, he's only as strong as the capos on the street loyal to him..
The capos on the street loyal to him, their strength is that when they go see Rastelli and come back to Brooklyn, they can say " Rusty wants this", so they are the word of the boss, but they are not the big earners, but plenty tough..
Galante had more prestige than Rastelli, being Bonnaos underboss, similar to Genovese when he was a capo with like Boss level power. He had the control of the dope, so he was a powerhouse earner, and had Sicilian muscle. But he was isolated from the rest of the Bonnano family, and the Commision..
Now Sonny Black has like four, five crews following him, so he had the military might, and the most say on the streets I'm guessing, Also had the Chin, so with the Commision he was solid. Was a great earner and had earners with him, that was the problem I think, like he was already rich and he tried to stiff the Sicilians.
Plus he wasn't too cool with the Massino Group, so he was isolated as well, but in order neutralize him they had to hit all those guys at once...

Re: Carmine Galante [Re: Caramela77] #866883
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Eeeeer, I meant Sonny Red... Damn it...

Re: Carmine Galante [Re: Caramela77] #866907
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Sonny Red had the Westside backing him, he didn't have the whole Commission, but I guess with the Westside being the power and all...I think it was Castellano & Persico who told Massino to hold off and handle it amicably first. I think it was also those two, who told Massino the second time to do what he had to do what he had to do. According to Anthony DeStefano & his book on Massino, Sonny Red actually had the backing of Cesare Bonventre, whom was the like the head of Zips, along with Catalano after the Galante hit, even more so after Catalano was imprisoned. So he had the backing of the Zip's & the Westside, and Sonny Red oversaw one crew, but he was the most powerful skipper amongst his side/faction. So they all sought him out for advice and such, so you can say he had like three or four crews loyal to him. What did Sonny Red in was Massino's relationship with Carmine Franzese, Tutti or Tootie, they called him. He was basically informing Massino of Sonny Reds every move, because he was close to Persico and I believe Persico was relaying everything going on to Franzese, I could be wrong on that though. But Franzese WAS telling Massino of the plans of Indelicato, Trinchera & Giaccone. It should be noted that Philly Lucky was a powerful capo in his own right. It was either Massino and Vitale who was under Giaccone prior to his death, officially Massino was under Philly Lucky, but he was always close to Rastelli, so he was seen as sort of another power next to the power. After Giaccone is whacked, it's Massino who takes over his crew. It may have also been Franzese who brought down the guard of Sonny Red and his guys, after telling them he'd be present at the peace meeting that the other families would be involved for mediation. Long story short, the "three capo's" are killed, guys get spared, like Frank Lino. And the power is all in the hands of Massino & Napalitano. Those two began to butt heads as well, but that's a story for another day.

Re: Carmine Galante [Re: Caramela77] #866981
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he said he was involved in 50 hits in his life time smile

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Re: Carmine Galante [Re: Caramela77] #962015
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Re: Carmine Galante [Re: Caramela77] #962033
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Wow Moe. I never saw that footage before.

Very cool.


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Re: Carmine Galante [Re: Caramela77] #962073
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Re: Carmine Galante [Re: Caramela77] #962112
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Thanks for sharing that Moe. I think that is from the old Crime Inc. documentary.

If any of you haven't seen it I highly recommend it.

It is on youtube.

Re: Carmine Galante [Re: Caramela77] #1050040
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Re: Carmine Galante [Re: GangstersInc] #1050075
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Originally Posted by GangstersInc

I'll never get tired of Galante info. Wish there was video footage of him looking straight into the camera so we could get a real feel of those lifeless eyes, pics don't seem to really capture it.

Although the thing about him not being smart mainly arises from his Sing Sing IQ assessment which I believe was a rouse where he purposely fooled authorities. I've gathered some surprising information about Galante's interests and knowledge that a family member of his shared with me which paints the picture of a rather smart man, albeit one who still spoke like a street kid.

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Re: Carmine Galante [Re: Caramela77] #1056715
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Re: Carmine Galante [Re: Moe_Tilden] #1056978
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Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Geraldine Gangi, who owned a gin mill next to the old Post building on South Street called The Post Mortem, once told me: “When we were young, we were with a bunch of the girls at a restaurant on Prince Street.

“Some were going with the local wiseguys on the Lower East Side. ‘Lilo The Cigar’ walked in and one of the girls said something innocent that got him mad.

“He threw a plate of boiling hot pasta into her face. She was scarred up pretty bad. His temper was scary.”

http://nypost.com/2001/04/18/crazy-kid-takes-after-his-raging-uncle/


What did the nephew do? All it says is an innocent guy was killed.
Was he made?

Also Pistone said lefty stated that galantes a mean guy and hated by most of the bonnanos. And predicted he'll be killed.

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