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What If Anthony Would Have Followed? #6441
01/29/04 07:49 PM
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In Godfather III, Anthony wanted nothing to do with the family business ( just like young Michael in GFI ). Let's say that Anthony would have joined his father in the family buisness. Forget considering Vincent to take over the family, do you think that Michael would have even accepted Vincent as Sonny's illegitimate son and accepted Vincent into the family itself?

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Re: What If Anthony Would Have Followed? #6442
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I would say yes Michael would still keep Vincent within the family. In Godfather Part III he tells Vincent that he always felt he had a responsilbility for him. Michael could see that Vincent has the love of Sonny in him as well as that fiery temper, but he thinks Vincent could overcome that weakness. Vincent is also a tough guy and you need tough guys for protection.

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the Anthony character in GF3 was very gay...i dont see an inch of tough guy in that character...
but whats funny is if you look at the kids who played anthony and mary in gf2 they are a complete flip flop of the ones who portray them in GF3...little Mary looks more like Kay while Anthony looks more Sicilian...in GF3 its the other way around...

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The theme of GFIII is "legitimacy." If Anthony had joined the family business, he would have "legitimized" Michael far more than the Papal Knighthood and Immobiliare. There would have been no need for the Vincent character because Vincent would have been a reminder of "illegitimacy" in two ways: his involvement in the rackets through his association with Zasa, and, literally, his illegitimate birth.


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Originally posted by The Sicilian:
the Anthony character in GF3 was very gay...i dont see an inch of tough guy in that character...
but whats funny is if you look at the kids who played anthony and mary in gf2 they are a complete flip flop of the ones who portray them in GF3...little Mary looks more like Kay while Anthony looks more Sicilian...in GF3 its the other way around...
Correct me if I am wrong, but I read at some point that Sofia Coppola actually also played Mary Corleone in GF II (that is the sleeping girl on Kay's lap following the hit attempt at the Nevada house).

She also played the infant Michael Rizzi in GFI, of course.


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Her only appearance in GF II was as an immigrant on the ship that young Vito arrived in New York on.

Anyone got a screen capture of her "blink and you'll miss it" appearance? I've tried and failed countless times to pick her out.

Re: What If Anthony Would Have Followed? #6447
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I think Michael would have "acknowledged" Vincent as part of the family because he was "blood", but if Anthony were in the family, I don't know if Michael would have let Vincent join the Corleone family business. Maybe he would have given Vincent an insignificant job, like Carlo. ohwell

I would have much preferred Anthony taking over, but that's another story. tongue

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Re: What If Anthony Would Have Followed? #6448
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Originally posted by The Italian Stallionette:
I think Michael would have "acknowledged" Vincent as part of the family because he was "blood", but if Anthony were in the family, I don't know if Michael would have let Vincent join the Corleone family business. Maybe he would have given Vincent an insignificant job, like Carlo. ohwell

I would have much preferred Anthony taking over, but that's another story. tongue

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I can agree with TIS on this one. Vincent was blood. So therefore Micheal would have still accepted him. However passing on the reins of leadership, noway.


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the Anthony character in GF3 was very gay...i dont see an inch of tough guy in that character...
but whats funny is if you look at the kids who played anthony and mary in gf2 they are a complete flip flop of the ones who portray them in GF3...little Mary looks more like Kay while Anthony looks more Sicilian...in GF3 its the other way around...
The Sicilian raises a good point. But at the same time Anthony appeare the way he did, due to the writing. Had FFC intended for Anthony to eventually succed Micheal, then the writing would have called for Anthony to be a lot tougher. IMO.

Personally I'm glad that Anthony wasn't written to succed Micheal. But that's a different story.


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Mike was smart enought to know that Anthony could have been the brains to Vincent's brawn. I think Tony would've lasted about two seconds (bada-bing) unless he'd have had Vinnie's support, strength and street sense. orange


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I think Tony's rememberance of Fredo is what kept him away from that business. But a lot of people would have said that
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Originally posted by Don Vanchenzo:
I think Tony would've lasted about two seconds (bada-bing) unless he'd have had Vinnie's support, strength and street sense. orange
about Michael in the beginning of Part 1 too, so Tony could have learned from his father. Those of you who want to See Vincent in Part 4, what if Anthony had a son who learned about the business his grandfather was in and also wanted to be in?Anthony's reaction.....?


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I think Tony's rememberance of Fredo is what kept him away from that business. But a lot of people would have said that
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[b]I think Tony would've lasted about two seconds (bada-bing) unless he'd have had Vinnie's support, strength and street sense. orange
about Michael in the beginning of Part 1 too, so Tony could have learned from his father. Those of you who want to See Vincent in Part 4, what if Anthony had a son who learned about the business his grandfather was in and also wanted to be in?Anthony's reaction.....? [/b]
That might be interesting to explore. Anthony's reaction if he find out that his son wanted to go into the same business as his grandfather/great grandfather.


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I didn't get the impression that Anthony was, well, gay -- just that he was an upper-crust, pampered, Ivy league type of guy.

If a GF IV were made, I could see, after the shock of seeing his sister murdered before his eyes, Anthony might 'snap' and decide to join the family in order to take revenge on those who brought her murder about.

He'd never be a tough guy like Sonny or Vincent or even Michael in his younger days, but he finish law school and then take on a Tom Hagen-like role in the family with Vincent as the Don.


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Originally posted by EnzoBaker:
If a GF IV were made, I could see, after the shock of seeing his sister murdered before his eyes, Anthony might 'snap' and decide to join the family in order to take revenge on those who brought her murder about.

He'd never be a tough guy like Sonny or Vincent or even Michael in his younger days, but he finish law school and then take on a Tom Hagen-like role in the family with Vincent as the Don.
Curious. Personally, I think Tony's too much of a fannuch to take any role in the business. Your interesting point is well taken, however. orange


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