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What if... Gambino named Dellacroce as Boss? #609836
08/04/11 01:01 PM 08/04/11 01:01 PM
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Hypothetical question guys but perhaps an error in Carlo Gambino's judgement was his final bit of mob business, naming Castellano as boss over respected, cosa nostra through and through Dellacroce.
But how would things of played out if Dellacroce had been made boss? your opinions?
Personally I feel that even to this day the family might be stronger from the knock on effect. There would of been no uprising (or strongly unlikely) from factions like there was from Gotti and the family would be united at least until Dellacroce's death in 1985. The Interesting thing would of been who would he have nominated as boss before he died, Gotti possibly?
Re: What if... Gambino named Dellacroce as Boss? [Re: NickyScarfo] #609842
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To be perfectly honest i feel that either way Gotti would have destroyed the family. Because say dellacroce was named boss then we could figure that he would of named his protege his successor. The problem is Gotti was never fit to be boss. hell he wasn't even fit to be a captain really. I don't like castellano because he was greedy but he was probably the right choice by Carlo gambino because he was pretty much under the radar and made a ton of money in the white collar rackets. if you think about it the only reason castellano got heat from the law was because of angelo's big mouth. dellacroce was a respected gangster no doubt about it but he was always under investigation and wasn't knowledgable in the white collar rackets.
Re: What if... Gambino named Dellacroce as Boss? [Re: JCrusher] #609844
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Yeah I think castellano did get ruined by others, and I don't believe for a second he would of flipped like some ppl say!
Re: What if... Gambino named Dellacroce as Boss? [Re: JCrusher] #609845
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I disagree I think Castellano was a great boss very old school way. He was a huge earner for the family prior to being made boss what sealed the deal was not only being cousin and brother in law to Gambino but the fact, I believe out of the choices Gambino saw the future of the family safe in Castellano's hands. Dellacroce I like as well he never went agaisn't Castellano even though he himself was passed up as boss. It is inevitable Gotti would have been selected by Dellacroce to answer your question because you had runners up like D'Amico, Corozzo and Megale to name a few. I disagree with the other statment about Gotti he was a good earner and, I believe better to be a Capo not a boss. He was a solid Capo These guys even Dellacroce wanted to deal in drugs this was a big revenue source either way unfortunately the Gambino family was on a decline after Castellano. A side note please excuse my bad grammar.

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Re: What if... Gambino named Dellacroce as Boss? [Re: NickyScarfo] #609846
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Things would have been exactly the same. Dellacrose would have died in Dec 1985 and his protégé Gotti would succeed him.

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Re: What if... Gambino named Dellacroce as Boss? [Re: Caramela77] #609847
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I agree he was an old school, intelligent guy, but he was greedy and caused dissent in the rank and file, towards the end he spend all day cooped up in "the white house" never visiting the troops while Dellacroce was holding court in Little Italy. He took huge kick-ups.
I don't know if D'Amico would of been on the radar as boss material by 1985, I don't think he had been Capo that long by then? I know he was always one of Gotti's favourites though.

Ps Your grammar is fine smile
Re: What if... Gambino named Dellacroce as Boss? [Re: NickyScarfo] #609851
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Exactly him and Gotti had a bond for their love of gambling. I always wondered if Frank DeCicco didn't die in that car bomb would he have turned on Gotti for boss over time or would he have served his purpose to Gotti? I know DeMeo was another capo choice but he seemed so much like Anastasia in a small sense a ruthless killer and no one to reckon with or your dead his crew was like Murder Inc. I don't think he would ever be considered boss he would be too cold blooded and too powerful.

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Re: What if... Gambino named Dellacroce as Boss? [Re: Caramela77] #609852
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DeMeo actually never rose above a soldier, although he had a crew he was under the control of capo Nino Gaggi, a guy who's name was briefly mentioned by some as a candidate for boss after Paul though he died shortly after. DeMeo NEVER would of been considered for boss, he was feared but held in low regard by guys like Paul.
I don't think DeCicco would of ever made a move against Gotti, he retained a high position why risk that and his life, however if he had there were still some loyalists to Castellano such as Danny Marino who might of joined a revolt.

Ps caramela who is your avatar a picture of? Just curious

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Re: What if... Gambino named Dellacroce as Boss? [Re: NickyScarfo] #609853
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Sorry for the mistake don't know why, I thought DeMeo was a capo. I completely forgot about Gaggi, I have to brush up on my reading again LOL. My avatar is of Christy " The Tick" Furnari.
Re: What if... Gambino named Dellacroce as Boss? [Re: Caramela77] #609855
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Its ok I have seen some books saying he was a Capo so I can see why. For a soldier he was a very very powerful, smart guy he brought in a fortune for the family!
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I just brushed up on my reading of Anthony Gaggi man he was a smooth boss and hard to bust his real downfall was family his godson. It shows when guys use drugs they become a liability even family members. Case in point Cicale druggy and close friend of Basciano was his downfall. How being Dominick Montiglio can you live with yourself doing this to your Uncle and Godfather?
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Originally Posted By: Caramela77
I disagree I think Castellano was a great boss very old school way. He was a huge earner for the family prior to being made boss what sealed the deal was not only being cousin and brother in law to Gambino but the fact, I believe out of the choices Gambino saw the future of the family safe in Castellano's hands. Dellacroce I like as well he never went agaisn't Castellano even though he himself was passed up as boss. It is inevitable Gotti would have been selected by Dellacroce to answer your question because you had runners up like D'Amico, Corozzo and Megale to name a few. I disagree with the other statment about Gotti he was a good earner and, I believe better to be a Capo not a boss. He was a solid Capo These guys even Dellacroce wanted to deal in drugs this was a big revenue source either way unfortunately the Gambino family was on a decline after Castellano. A side note please excuse my bad grammar.


Gotti was an earner but remember he was also a degenerate gambler who blew all of the crews profits. Angelo and gene used to go nuts because of this. His gambling was the reason they turned to drugs more or less.
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Originally Posted By: Caramela77
I just brushed up on my reading of Anthony Gaggi man he was a smooth boss and hard to bust his real downfall was family his godson. It shows when guys use drugs they become a liability even family members. Case in point Cicale druggy and close friend of Basciano was his downfall. How being Dominick Montiglio can you live with yourself doing this to your Uncle and Godfather?
he did what he had to do., like many others he would have been dead if he didnt flip. lesser of two evils!

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Re: What if... Gambino named Dellacroce as Boss? [Re: phatmatress] #609884
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Things would of been different thats no doubt. Dellacroce was Cosa Nostra till the end. He was a capo when Anastasia was killed and was ready to go to war with Anastasia's killers. Gotti more than likely would have taken over some of Dellacroce's rackets. Their is no doubt things would of worked out differently. This is a good subject with all the what if's.
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I read somewhere that one of the reasons that Dellacroce was passed over was because he had an affair with another made guys wife.
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Originally Posted By: Smokey_Joe
I read somewhere that one of the reasons that Dellacroce was passed over was because he had an affair with another made guys wife.
this is true, an irish woman to be exact.

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I don't think that was the main reason. carlo wanted someone like himself. I mean carlo wasn't exactly a guy who was roaming the streets like neil was. I mean paul becoming boss was probably aleady set up years before carlo died. in fact in 1966 when carlo had a lot of heat on him he named Paul acting boss instead of his new underboss
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Originally Posted By: Caramela77
How being Dominick Montiglio can you live with yourself doing this to your Uncle and Godfather?


Seeing how Roy DeMeo and his kids were being taken care of by his uncle Nino, and he himself only got oddjobs from which he made just a few bucks, I'm not suprised that he turned against his uncle.

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Originally Posted By: JCrusher
I don't think that was the main reason. carlo wanted someone like himself. I mean carlo wasn't exactly a guy who was roaming the streets like neil was. I mean paul becoming boss was probably aleady set up years before carlo died. in fact in 1966 when carlo had a lot of heat on him he named Paul acting boss instead of his new underboss
carlo wanted family, family was so important to him, he married his cousin for christs sakes!!!

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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: Caramela77
How being Dominick Montiglio can you live with yourself doing this to your Uncle and Godfather?


Seeing how Roy DeMeo and his kids were being taken care of by his uncle Nino, and he himself only got oddjobs from which he made just a few bucks, I'm not suprised that he turned against his uncle.


We should not condone his actions this is the problem with the Mafia too many babies and rats. You know you either are going to be killed most likely by someone close or die in the can. This is the life you choose you take the consequences like a man or don't get involved in it. Is there any honor(code)in the Mafia or is that just now an old folk story
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Originally Posted By: Caramela77
Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: Caramela77
How being Dominick Montiglio can you live with yourself doing this to your Uncle and Godfather?


Seeing how Roy DeMeo and his kids were being taken care of by his uncle Nino, and he himself only got oddjobs from which he made just a few bucks, I'm not suprised that he turned against his uncle.


We should not condone his actions this is the problem with the Mafia too many babies and rats. You know you either are going to be killed most likely by someone close or die in the can. This is the life you choose you take the consequences like a man or don't get involved in it. Is there any honor(code)in the Mafia or is that just now an old folk story
folk lore nowadays

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