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Re: Vito and Fredo
[Re: Immobiliare]
#608117
07/16/11 11:04 PM
07/16/11 11:04 PM
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Turnbull
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I'll admit I haven't actually read the novel but have heard various bits and pieces about it. What was Carlo's exact role in Sonny's murder? Did he know it was going to be a hit? The novel notes that Sonny's beating of Carlo was observed by someone who was connected to the Tattaglias. Then, as we learn at the end of the film, Barzini contacted Carlo. He knew that, since Carlo's first beating of Connie caused Sonny to rush out of the Compound, a second beating--timed by Barzini and Carlo--would bring Sonny out again, and into an ambush. Of course the eternal question of wether or not Fredo 'knew it was a hit' comes to the fore... "Eternal" may be an understatement. That's one of the most discussed topics on this board. Do a search and you'll see.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Vito and Fredo
[Re: Immobiliare]
#608141
07/17/11 07:15 AM
07/17/11 07:15 AM
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Lilo
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I find it strange that Vito couldn't bring himself to participate in Carlo's death - did he atleast agree that Carlo should be killed but just did not want to be the one that has to make that decision ultimately?
Basically. The novel makes it clear that pretty much everyone (Tom, Michael, Vito and Mama Corleone, likely Connie) knew of Carlo's treachery but pretended not to know. This is why Connie asked Michael to be Godfather to her child and in book was constantly seeking (via Kay) some affirmation from Michael that Carlo was doing a good job and well-liked. In book Vito never speaks about Carlo's planned demise openly but Michael says everything is in place; it's the right decision and that he takes all responsibility. Vito says something along the lines of "good b/c there's some things even he can't do." Tom later confirms to Kay that Vito was in an impossible position. In order to avenge his son he had to murder his son-in-law. Even though Vito approved, by Michael taking responsibility (helped immensely by Vito's death) Michael took the brunt of Connie's rage, spite and grief. Per book Connie was arguably his favorite child so Vito didn't want to hurt her like that. Carlo's murder had to be simultaneous with or after the murders of the other victims otherwise it would have tipped them off. So Vito and Michael had to wait. I don't think Vito ever would have countenanced or advised the murder of his children. Of course if Vito were still around Fredo would not have had the resentments he had nor would Roth have thought he could get to the Corleones via Fredo. I do think that Vito might have been a bit more solicitous or even aware of Fredo's feelings and have found an oblique method of dealing with them.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Vito and Fredo
[Re: Immobiliare]
#608202
07/17/11 05:53 PM
07/17/11 05:53 PM
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olivant
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Sometimes I think we discredit Fredo too much. In the film he carries a gun (yes, I can anticipate your guffaws about that) which, since Luca needed a license to carry one, we assume that Fredo was licensed also. According to the novel, Vito concluded that Fredo had a genius for running a hotel and even considered this a reward. Also, in GFII, Fredo has "men", a crew I suppose and he does run at least one brothel. Further, he is trusted to transport $2 million from the US to Cuba. Of course, if he is the drapes man and is otherwise in cahoots with Ola and Roth, it took his being intoxicated and off-guard to reveal his conspiratorial complicity. Prior to that, he kept his secret.
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