Yup, and when younger kids read that book early on in their OC research, it tends to give them a very shaky foundation as far as that family goes. It's honestly bullshit piled on top of bullshit.


Exactly. I've said it here a hundred times: That book was an autobiography. No ifs, and or buts.

Is his brother Bobby dead now?

I was under the impression that even as Vic holding the title of boss, Steve Crea has been running things for a while now.

thats pretty much the consensus opinion

Correct. And even while Stevie was away, the panel was made up of guys loyal to him and that faction of the family. For all intents and purposes, the power shifted back to the Bronx/Harlem guys way back in the '90s.

Anthony Baratta is a Harlem guy isn't he? He and Crea despise each other, don't they?

Yes, Bowat sided with Brooklyn back then. And look at him now .

Is danny miano a lucchese

I wanna say his brother is dead and has been for quite some time now.

Not sure if he is dead. I know that in 2011 he was still alive so if he is dead it was in the last couple of days.

Take Care.

Fuck Vic , he killed my grandpa brother for no good reason and in fact broke a big mafia rule . May he Rot in jail forever

Vic and Casso almost destroyed Luchesse but they have re grouped to some extend

This may have been asked before, but who is your grandpa's brother?

http://www.leagle.com/decision/199823710FSupp2d227_1213.xml/U.S.%20v.%20AMUSO

This acknowledges all the talk about Amuso being a puppet leader and debunks it. It says he had full autonomy over the Lucchese family.

Right? Wrong?

Has Casso's influence being overstated too much?

Casso was the dominant one in that sick relationship, Moe. It was almost like one of those sick tandems on "Criminal Minds," where both guys are capable of murder, but one guy is calling all the shots and completely dominating the other.

Sure, without Casso around to instigate him, Vic was a different guy. I've heard he was actually pretty easy going and well liked. But by the time Casso got through with him, he was basically going along with everything he had to say.

It's a shame, though. Vic ended up being the true gangster. He stood up, where that psychopath went on "60 Minutes," and helped ghostwrite one of the worst books in the history of true crime.

So, with these two guys it was basically you were either with them or against them?.. and if you were not with them, God help you?

Maybe with Vic. But with Casso, even if you were "with" him, you could never really get too comfortable.

He was too paranoid. He'd kill anyone he viewed as a threat, real or imagined. And imagined is the key word there.

These were the two guys that had the two NY Detectives in their pocket, right? The one detective's daughter is fighting his innocence, blah, blah...

I saw one those hour shows about this. Unbelievable that they proclaim their innocence after all the evidence. I also saw the 60 Minutes thing with Casso and he came across as the "victim" in all this. Classic OC stuff.