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Moe Greene's death #596744
03/08/11 08:12 PM 03/08/11 08:12 PM
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In the book Neri kills Moe Greene's death happens months before the killing of Tattaglia and Barzini. Shouldn't this have been a signal to Barzini that the Corleones aren't as weak as they seemed?
Re: Moe Greene's death [Re: Danito] #596747
03/08/11 08:24 PM 03/08/11 08:24 PM
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I always thought so.

"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Moe Greene's death [Re: Lilo] #596753
03/08/11 08:57 PM 03/08/11 08:57 PM
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In the novel, Moe doesn't mention Barzini at all. All he says is that he has "friends who can back me up." He even threatens to go to New York and talk to the Don, making him an offer.

Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Moe Greene's death [Re: Turnbull] #596795
03/09/11 01:46 PM 03/09/11 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
He even threatens to go to New York and talk to the Don, making him an offer.

The guy had plenty of chutzpah, I'll give him that lol.

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Re: Moe Greene's death [Re: Danito] #596881
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Well, killing Greene was an obvious move by the Corleones that Barzini probably anticipated. Besides, the Corleones were co-owners, so getting rid of a partner isn't such a drastic move in the underworld. In any case, it wouldn't change Barzini's perception of Michael as a mediocre successor and his plans to usurp the Corleones pre-eminent position.

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Re: Moe Greene's death [Re: olivant] #609616
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I'm curious about this...

Am I correct in assuming that the characters of Hyman Roth and Moe Greene were loosely based on Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel,respectively?

"You don't make up for your sins in church. You do it in the
streets. You do it at home. The rest is bullshit and you know it."
----Mean Streets---

"Business bad? Fuck you, pay me. Oh, you had a fire? Fuck you
pay me. Place got hit by lightning huh? Fuck you, pay me. It was
beautiful!". ---Henry Hill in "Goodfellas"
Re: Moe Greene's death [Re: YukonCorneleone] #609648
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Originally Posted By: YukonCorneleone
I'm curious about this...

Am I correct in assuming that the characters of Hyman Roth and Moe Greene were loosely based on Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel,respectively?


To a large extent, yes.

"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Moe Greene's death [Re: Lilo] #609780
08/04/11 12:44 AM 08/04/11 12:44 AM
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Great! Thanks, Lilo.

"You don't make up for your sins in church. You do it in the
streets. You do it at home. The rest is bullshit and you know it."
----Mean Streets---

"Business bad? Fuck you, pay me. Oh, you had a fire? Fuck you
pay me. Place got hit by lightning huh? Fuck you, pay me. It was
beautiful!". ---Henry Hill in "Goodfellas"
Re: Moe Greene's death [Re: YukonCorneleone] #610049
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Of all the characters in the films and novels, Roth and Green (and Fontaine) are the most like their real-life counterparts. The novel says Green was shot to death at the home of his Hollywood mistress. Bugsy Siegel was shot to death at the home of his Hollywood mistress, Virginia Hill.

Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.

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