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Re: Best and Worst Mafia Book [Re: GaryH] #596774
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Originally Posted By: GaryH
Well, I've always thought that Roy was killed by the Gemini twins at Patty Testa's place after the Gambino's reached out to Gaspipe who set the thing up.

But one thing that had bugged me.....
The contract was first given to Gotti who couldnt get to Roy.
DeCicco couldnt get to Roy either so the Gambino;s reached out to Gaspipe.
Hmmmmm.............If I was Paul Castellano I would call in Nino Gaggi and say "you brought Roy into the family - YOU take him out".

I'm certain the twins killed him I just dont know if Nino was actually present or not!
But Richard Bullshitter Kuklinski certainly wasnt there - LOL


According to Jerry Capeci-Who is one of maybe 3 very trusted sources on the Mafia-Nino Gaggi fired the first shot and froze when Roy did not go down, then the twins pulled out their guns and finished him off. They did find three different calibers of guns in Demos body with one bullet from a revolver to the head, the rest were lodge in his hands and body. It is believed that Nino fired the first bullet from the revolver.

Also, Dominick Monteiglio (Nino's nephew and Gov Witness) verified this as well.


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And about the Gambinos reaching out to Casso. I dont know about that, Casso says he had the Gemeni Twins in his back pocket and he did use them for work but I dont know.

Lets face it, Casso is a blow hard himself, not like Kuklinski by any means but a blow hard. Casso did not take credit for this hit until he realized the Gov was not going to honor his plea deal. I believe Big Paul went straight to Nino for this hit.

In fact, the only people who say that Gotti's crew passed the contract along was Casso himself. No one else has even so much as whispered a word that Gotti's crew ever got the contract.

I believe that had Gotti's crew actually got the contract they would have carried it out themselves anyway. John gotti wanted to be boss and he needed Roy out of the way as Nino was a huge backer of Big Paul and Roy was with Nino


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Re: Best and Worst Mafia Book [Re: jvanley] #596799
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i always thought they heard on a wire tap from gene gotti that he stated they offered john the contract and he said that my brother has killed less than 10 people and we know demeo has killed well over 38 himself. i think i read somewhere that in capecci's first gotti book that was the way they even heard of demeo was thru that wire tape. i could be mistaken tho.


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Re: Best and Worst Mafia Book [Re: jvanley] #596802
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They got that on a wiretap? I though they only got the details through informants.


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Re: Best and Worst Mafia Book [Re: jvanley] #596818
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Casso says he had the Gemeni Twins in his back pocket and he did use them for work but I dont know

Technically to do that, Casso would have needed Gambino permission to use the twins because they were Roy's men.

Re: Best and Worst Mafia Book [Re: VinnyGorgeous] #596820
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The book coming out that I'm most looking forward to read is Anthony DeStefano's book on Charles Carneglia. I'm wondering if there is enough interesting stuff or info to have an entire book on Charles Carneglia though. From what I remember he was never a big time player in the mafia, he certainly wasn't known for being a earner. He certainly had a number of hits under his belt, but didn't have the numbers of DeMeo, Pitera, or other prolific mafia killers, it should be interesting to see how the book plays out. I also thought Carneglia was shelved or "retired" quite a few years before he was arrested. When he got locked up he had a long and wild beard that I think is against mafia protocol.

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It's not against mafia protocol. It's amazing that people even buy into this shit. Carneglia's entire legal strategy was built around his beard. It was the dumbest defense since My Cousin Vinny.


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Re: Best and Worst Mafia Book [Re: jvanley] #596837
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1. Last Testament of Lucky Luciano.

Writtne by Luciano. Classic

2. Blood and Honor - Philly Mob

3. Donnie Brasco

4. Breakshot - Kenny Gallo (second half of the book is on the
modern day Colombo family)


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Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
They got that on a wiretap? I though they only got the details through informants.

if my memory serves me right i think they did. for some reason i believe it was obtained from a wire tap between gene and quack quack during their heroin selling days. again if my memory serves me right i believe this also how they had a good idea about how big paul's men hated him so because quack quack also felt it was needed to concern his (others) disliking of castellano over the telephone


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Originally Posted By: Italian4Life
1. Last Testament of Lucky Luciano.

Writtne by Luciano. Classic


The Last Testament of Lucky Luciano apparantly is a fraud according to organized crime experts. And it isn't written by Luciano. The writer only used his notes.


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Re: Best and Worst Mafia Book [Re: VinnyGorgeous] #596847
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Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
It's not against mafia protocol. It's amazing that people even buy into this shit. Carneglia's entire legal strategy was built around his beard. It was the dumbest defense since My Cousin Vinny.
people believe this because they said it in donnie brasco. for some reason this seems to be a large myth. ive also heard people bitching because billy bats had a moustache in goodfellas and they clearly stated that he was a made man from the gambinos. it very well could have been a capo's rule not to have a beard of facial hair in a certain crew. i would go as far as saying that perhaps one family may have banned facial hair. ive also heard theroys that made men perfer not to wear facial hair because of the moustache petes. again im not 100% sure about the facial hair rule but i honestly think people buy into it because of the donnie brasco movie.


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Re: Best and Worst Mafia Book [Re: jvanley] #596849
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could anybody tell me about Carneglia i don't know much about him except that he looks like the unabomber and is accused of murdering john favara. was he even made?


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Re: Best and Worst Mafia Book [Re: jvanley] #596851
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Its thought that Carneglia and Gene Gotti were the ones that fucked up disposing of Sonny Reds body (bet the Bonanno;s wish they had just done it themselves! - LOL)

Carneglia was a nasty son of a bitch who killed for Gotti.
He was jailed largely in part thanks to a person that his brother John had "adopted" when he was a kid.
John found a 12 year boy in his shed and took the kid in as his own.
This kid later became privy to knowledge of the criminal activities of John and Charles and he helped the government put them away.

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Al Capone by John Kobler, Mr Capone by Robert J Schoenberg, and The Mafia And The Machine by Frank R Hayde.

Hayde's is a slime 190+ book, but it moves at a blistering pace and sets the record straight on Pendergast and his political machine, his mob and political ties including a farmer cum President of the United States Harry S Truman, Kansas City Mafia aka the KC Outfit and it's front men Johnny Lazia and Charlie Binaggio; mobsters Joseph "Scarface" DiGiovanni, James Balestrere, Tano Lococo, Tony Gizzo and the Civellas - "Uncle Nick," "Carl the Cork" and "Tony Ripe", and William "Willie Rat" Dominick Cammisano Sr.

The Union Station Massacre, River Quay War with the Bonadonnas and Speros brothers, the Strawman case (one of the source inspirations for Scorsese's Casino), etc. I hope KC native Frank R Hayde continues to write more on the KC underworld.

Worst: well after reading both the Kobler and Schoenberg biographies Jonathan Eig's book is tripe.

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I'll second that, Mr. Capone was a very very good book and definitely the best book I've read on Capone.


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Re: Best and Worst Mafia Book [Re: jvanley] #596861
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The no facial hair thing is for the Genovese Family, the other families dont have that rule. I remember reading that it showed up on some wiretap from some Genovese guys back when they were investigating the windows scam.


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Not many people know this, but apparently The Colombos have a no pubic hair rule.


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Re: Best and Worst Mafia Book [Re: phatmatress] #596867
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Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
It's not against mafia protocol. It's amazing that people even buy into this shit. Carneglia's entire legal strategy was built around his beard. It was the dumbest defense since My Cousin Vinny.
people believe this because they said it in donnie brasco. for some reason this seems to be a large myth. ive also heard people bitching because billy bats had a moustache in goodfellas and they clearly stated that he was a made man from the gambinos. it very well could have been a capo's rule not to have a beard of facial hair in a certain crew. i would go as far as saying that perhaps one family may have banned facial hair. ive also heard theroys that made men perfer not to wear facial hair because of the moustache petes. again im not 100% sure about the facial hair rule but i honestly think people buy into it because of the donnie brasco movie.


This was one of the things I really wondered about.

It suprises me that practically every "mafiosi" in the United States don't have facial hair, although very few sometimes had a mustache.

So if it's just a myth, how come almost every wiseguy doesn't have facial hair?

I always thought it had something to do with the old 'Mustache Pete's'.


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I really doubt this has anything to do with some rule. If anyone can give me an example of a guy that got shelved because of facial hair, then I'd love to hear about it. Or clipped..that's even better.


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the bonnano's have that rule lefty ruggiero made donnie brasco shave his mustache

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Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
I really doubt this has anything to do with some rule. If anyone can give me an example of a guy that got shelved because of facial hair, then I'd love to hear about it. Or clipped..that's even better.


Albert Anastasia - after receiving numerous warnings, he was planning on having his fu manchu shaved off that day in the barber shop at the Park Central. Unfortunately, he didn't move fast enough.

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Originally Posted By: Shots
Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
I really doubt this has anything to do with some rule. If anyone can give me an example of a guy that got shelved because of facial hair, then I'd love to hear about it. Or clipped..that's even better.


Albert Anastasia - after receiving numerous warnings, he was planning on having his fu manchu shaved off that day in the barber shop at the Park Central. Unfortunately, he didn't move fast enough.


You're absolutely right. Fucker was growing a beard!!! Finally we have closure.


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Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
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I really doubt this has anything to do with some rule. If anyone can give me an example of a guy that got shelved because of facial hair, then I'd love to hear about it. Or clipped..that's even better.


Albert Anastasia - after receiving numerous warnings, he was planning on having his fu manchu shaved off that day in the barber shop at the Park Central. Unfortunately, he didn't move fast enough.


You're absolutely right. Fucker was growing a beard!!! Finally we have closure.



IF this is in fact true, then quite the opposite, it shows that they dont "like" or didnt "like" facial hair.

Old timers, yes, there were certain rules for certain crews, familes, etc, about facial hair.

Today-No, these guys dont have any rules today it seems.


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AS for the books....

I stated "Making Jack Falcone" was the absolute worts book I own, well I went back the last few days and read some of it and well, I was right. This guy is a self tooting BLOW HARD.

He really thinks he was going to get made, and he may have but I will tell you this....

Insert him in Joe Pistone place, at that time, at that era, with those people and that family? Hes dead in 2 days.

He compares himself to Pistone so much in the book it makes me sick. Also in a Joe Pistone interview when asked about "Jack Falcone" Pistones response was "who" Enough said.


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Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
Anthony DeStefano's King Of The Godfathers is definitely worth mentioning. He is an extremely thorough guy and of very few mafia writers I hold in high regard.

I almost forgot about that one, Vinny. That is indeed one of the 5 or 7 best books ever written about organized crime. The concise retelling of the the Bonanno family history in the opening 2 or 3 chapters rivaled Selwyn Raab's take the situation, and blew away the fairy tales spun by both Joe and Bill Bonanno.

The only disappointing thing about that book was that DeStefano seemed to skip the 1990s entirely. He jumped from Massino's incarceration in '87, briefly mentioned his release in '92, then jumped way ahead to the Gerlando Sciascia situation in '99. There may have been a brief mention of Sal Vitale running things for awhile, but nothing about how Massino rebuilt the Bonannos into a legitimate family again (albeit for a brief while) after his release from prison in '92. It would have made very interesting copy. But my best guess is, he just didn't have the information available.

I mean, whe else would he exclude it?


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
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Anthony DeStefano's King Of The Godfathers is definitely worth mentioning. He is an extremely thorough guy and of very few mafia writers I hold in high regard.

I almost forgot about that one, Vinny. That is indeed one of the 5 or 7 best books ever written about organized crime. The concise retelling of the the Bonanno family history in the opening 2 or 3 chapters rivaled Selwyn Raab's take the situation, and blew away the fairy tales spun by both Joe and Bill Bonanno.

The only disappointing thing about that book was that DeStefano seemed to skip the 1990s entirely. He jumped from Massino's incarceration in '87, briefly mentioned his release in '92, then jumped way ahead to the Gerlando Sciascia situation in '99. There may have been a brief mention of Sal Vitale running things for awhile, but nothing about how Massino rebuilt the Bonannos into a legitimate family again (albeit for a brief while) after his release from prison in '92. It would have made very interesting copy. But my best guess is, he just didn't have the information available.

I mean, whe else would he exclude it?


Yeah I think you're right about that, but that just shows you how thorough and good this guy is. He's not gonna just put something in there, so he can fill up some vacuum for the reader. The truth is what's important to this guy. But we will probably get to hear the entire Massino story in the nearest future. Some of these witnesses will write a book.


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Originally Posted By: jvanley
AS for the books....

I stated "Making Jack Falcone" was the absolute worts book I own, well I went back the last few days and read some of it and well, I was right. This guy is a self tooting BLOW HARD.

He really thinks he was going to get made, and he may have but I will tell you this....

Insert him in Joe Pistone place, at that time, at that era, with those people and that family? Hes dead in 2 days.

He compares himself to Pistone so much in the book it makes me sick. Also in a Joe Pistone interview when asked about "Jack Falcone" Pistones response was "who" Enough said.


I think it is common for a mafia guy to tell an associate he is going to try and get him made when he is attempting to get his hooks in him. I don't think there was a chance in hell the fat slob was going to be made.

I didn't say Carneglia was shelved because of his facial hair, I just don't know if he was active for a while. To his credit he was able to avoid prison for a long time.

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yeah i think jack falcone went to much on greg depalma's bullshit! i really don't think they would have made anyone into the gambino's based on his recommendation. perhaps if it were the colombos it would be a dif story. being a person who has dealt with alot of cops, probation officers, task force agents, you can notice one similarity about all dif types of law enforcement and that is that they are trained to hype themselves up and believe what they want to believe and see things in their own light to suit them best!


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Not many people know this, but apparently The Colombos have a no pubic hair rule.

I wont ask how the boss enforces that rule! - LOL

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Originally Posted By: GaryH
Not many people know this, but apparently The Colombos have a no pubic hair rule.

I wont ask how the boss enforces that rule! - LOL

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