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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #674104
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Re Linda McMahon. I'm not surprised that she's running again. When wealthy conservatives run and lose (like McMahon did in 2009), for some reason they almost always run again the next time out.

And Chris Murphy will win by double digits this time. McMahon doesn't have a prayer.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #674117
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Re Linda McMahon. I'm not surprised that she's running again. When wealthy conservatives run and lose (like McMahon did in 2009), for some reason they almost always run again the next time out.

And Chris Murphy will win by double digits this time. McMahon doesn't have a prayer.


Even if Linda was a Democrat, I wouldn't want her to win. Any McMahon (specifically Vince) get near to a body of real power that will impact the rest of us. They're vicious, ruthless people. I'm still angered back in the day when on live TV they mocked announcer Jim Ross's cerebral palsy. (And this was entertaining how?) Let them fester in their little corporate fiefdom where they can't involve the rest of us.

(Yes let us wrestling fans be stuck with them. We're used to it by now.)

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #674118
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Do pray the election doesn't boil down to Ohio. Or so this article claims we'll get Florida 2000 all over again.

Quote:
"The contours of the legal dispute aren't narrowing, as some legal disputes do at this stage of an election contest, but instead are growing... Ohio will be counting its provisional ballots for days or even weeks past Tuesday... Anyone rooting for a resolution Tuesday night (or early Wednesday) ought to hope that it doesn't all come down to Ohio. If it does, it will be weeks -- and one judicial hearing after another -- before we have an answer."


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...weekend/264498/

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #674119
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I remember the Jim Ross thing. That was awful.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #674121
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Mitt Romney's backers have begun calling him "Mr. President."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/05/us/pol...m_source=buffer

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #674123
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I saw that article this morning, Ronnie.

It was pretty Romney-friendly for the New York Times.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #674128
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There's been a lot of talk about PA being in play. It's not. The GOP last won here in 1988 and in EVERY presidential election since the Republican candidate claimed that PA was a toss up and visited the state, claiming to win it. If it were seriously a toss up, Obama would have been here, not just Clinton or Biden.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #674134
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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Vintage newspaper article from October 1984.

Mondale Upset Win Predicted

http://t.co/bNERTSr3

The day before the election 2008, Romney claims McCain is leading in the battlegrounds, and is going to win by a landslide. ...McCain lost every single state Mitt predicted a win.


Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #674141
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My prediction is that Obama wins and garners 300+ electoral votes. I think he'll take Virginia, Ohio, New Hampshire, Iowa and Colorado. He might steal Florida too.

The only person who'll feel the pain of a possible Romney defeat worse than Mitt is Karl Rove, who'll have to explain to his deep pocketed pals, from whom he's collected billions, how he lost.

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Originally Posted By: klydon1
There's been a lot of talk about PA being in play. It's not. The GOP last won here in 1988 and in EVERY presidential election since the Republican candidate claimed that PA was a toss up and visited the state, claiming to win it. If it were seriously a toss up, Obama would have been here, not just Clinton or Biden.



If Obama wins PA by just 2.5% points, will that convince that the state was at least in play?

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #674143
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Final prediction. Obama: 303, Romney: 235

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Does ANYONE think there is a good chance that Romney wins popular and Obama wins electoral? Because at this rate, if the Elec. Vote estimates are correct, Obama wins regardless of popular right?

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: klydon1] #674149
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Originally Posted By: klydon1
My prediction is that Obama wins and garners 300+ electoral votes. I think he'll take Virginia, Ohio, New Hampshire, Iowa and Colorado. He might steal Florida too.

The only person who'll feel the pain of a possible Romney defeat worse than Mitt is Karl Rove, who'll have to explain to his deep pocketed pals, from whom he's collected billions, how he lost.


That's way too high. No way Obama gets 300. Romney will win Virginia and Colorado and Florida. Ohio is the toss up. If Obama wins he'll be in the 270s at most.
My final prediction- Romney 277 Obama 261


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #674150
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Does ANYONE think there is a good chance that Romney wins popular and Obama wins electoral? Because at this rate, if the Elec. Vote estimates are correct, Obama wins regardless of popular right?

Yes, Obama still wins just like Bush did in 2000.

The scenario is definitely possible, but unlikely because Obama needs turnout to win the election. If for some reason he gets low turnout and loses the popular vote, more than likely he loses the election too. There's nothing to suggest he won't get the turnout, but stranger things have happened.

Edit: One other thing. Obama is probably going to lose several hundred thousand votes in NY and NJ due to people not voting because of the storm. While it won't affect the outcome in these states, it will slightly affect the popular vote.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Just Lou] #674152
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Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Does ANYONE think there is a good chance that Romney wins popular and Obama wins electoral? Because at this rate, if the Elec. Vote estimates are correct, Obama wins regardless of popular right?

Yes, Obama still wins just like Bush did in 2000.

The scenario is definitely possible, but unlikely because Obama needs turnout to win the election. If for some reason he gets low turnout and loses the popular vote, more than likely he loses the election too. There's nothing to suggest he won't get the turnout, but stranger things have happened.


I really would prefer that does NOT happen but you know what they say about paybacks. wink

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #674154
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Iv'e heard a lot about marginal states, swing votes etc etc over the last week. I just want to ask the Americans on this board, who will be President in a couple of days? I keep reading conflicting news. Just your winner.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #674155
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Does ANYONE think there is a good chance that Romney wins popular and Obama wins electoral? Because at this rate, if the Elec. Vote estimates are correct, Obama wins regardless of popular right?

smile

TIS


Yes. Popular vote is of no consequence nationally. That seems to be deadlocked though Obama seemingly has more avenues to electoral victory than Romney if the polls are accurate.

If the EVs are split 269-269, the House decides and Romney would win. But in that event the Vice-President is selected by the Senate, and the Democrats could elect Biden, and then we'd have President Romney an Vice-president Biden. If the Senate is tied 50-50, then Biden casts the deciding vote.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #674157
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


I really would prefer that does NOT happen but you know what they say about paybacks. wink

TIS


If you listen to the Obama campaign, they have a much larger/better ground game than 2008, and expect a huge turnout.

If you listen to the Romney campaign, Democratic enthusiasm is down, and they expect a much smaller turnout.

Who knows. It will probably be somewhere in between.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #674159
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That's way too high. No way Obama gets 300. Romney will win Virginia and Colorado and Florida. Ohio is the toss up. If Obama wins he'll be in the 270s at most.
My final prediction- Romney 277 Obama 261 [/quote]

Most pundits and polls view Florida as a much closer race than Ohio, where Obama seems to be holding on to a three point lead. I'd be more surprised if Romney takes Ohio than Florida going to Obama despite the voting chaos down there.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: klydon1] #674163
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Originally Posted By: klydon1


Most pundits and polls view Florida as a much closer race than Ohio, where Obama seems to be holding on to a three point lead. I'd be more surprised if Romney takes Ohio than Florida going to Obama despite the voting chaos down there.


This is very true. Obama is much closer in Florida (some say he's winning), than Romney is in Ohio. Hell, Obama is just as close or closer in North Carolina, than Romney is in Wisconsin, Iowa, Nevada, or Ohio.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #674164
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Florida is close because of the minority demographics down here. I always laughed at polls showing Romney ahead by 6. I think whoever wins Florida wins it by 1.5%-2.0% of vote. But we also have a very strong Evangelical base and they are much more energized than in 2008.

PA will be won by about 2.5% points as well and that will make the GOP put more focus on that state in the future.

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Both sides are spinning like crazy. I think Obama's firewall in th midwest will hold and he'll win with 277 to 290. I think he has Nevada and New Mexico in play, and to a lesser extent Colorado. If he wins Virginia or Florida, early, its game, set and match.

I do see a chance Obama could win a squeaker in the electoral college but lose the popular vote.

As anyone who reads my posts knows, I am pro- Obama, a total partisan, etc., but good lord will I be happy when this is over. THe constant advertising, e mails and facebook stuff is nuts.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #674167
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

PA will be won by about 2.5% points as well and that will make the GOP put more focus on that state in the future.


It's not going to happen. Take away 1 poll that shows the race tied, Obama has about 5 point lead there. Even Rasmussen's latest poll shows Obama with a 5 point lead.

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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Mitt Romney's backers have begun calling him "Mr. President."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/05/us/pol...m_source=buffer


When John Kerry went to bed in 2004, Bob Schrum said "Goodnight Mr. President."


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Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Both sides are spinning like crazy. I think Obama's firewall in th midwest will hold and he'll win with 277 to 290. I think he has Nevada and New Mexico in play, and to a lesser extent Colorado. If he wins Virginia or Florida, early, its game, set and match.


New Mexico? confused Obama has a double digit lead there.

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Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Both sides are spinning like crazy. I think Obama's firewall in th midwest will hold and he'll win with 277 to 290. I think he has Nevada and New Mexico in play, and to a lesser extent Colorado. If he wins Virginia or Florida, early, its game, set and match.


New Mexico? confused Obama has a double digit lead there.


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The real danger I see is a too close to call vote in Fla or Ohio, or worse irregularities. Both states have GOP Secretaries of state and neither of them are above shennagins such as the ones plled in Fla. in 2000. I would rather see Romney win clearly than have another Bush v. Gore.


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Early vote totals for Florida up until Saturday night. Not too surprising Dem are ahead here. Saturday had a record turnout for early voting in Florida.

Dems 1,109,262 (46%)
Reps 862,277 (35.75%)
Inds 440,133 (18.25%)

TOTAL 2,411,672

Here is what is very surprising. Dems holding their own in asentee voting. Republicans usually blow Dems out here:

Absentee/mail-in totals:

Dems 806,310
Reps 885,675
Inds 365,736

TOTAL 2,057,721

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Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

PA will be won by about 2.5% points as well and that will make the GOP put more focus on that state in the future.


It's not going to happen. Take away 1 poll that shows the race tied, Obama has about 5 point lead there. Even Rasmussen's latest poll shows Obama with a 5 point lead.


"Even" Rasmussen? Ok. Well, when did Rasmussen last update Pennsylvania? Oct 25?

Over the weekend, about four different polls came out showing a tie in PA. Both campaigns believe those polls which is why they have spent unusual amount of time in PA over the weekend.

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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

Over the weekend, about four different polls came out showing a tie in PA. Both campaigns believe those polls which is why they have spent unusual amount of time in PA over the weekend.


4? Show me please. I've found only one.

When was the last time Obama set foot in PA? Romney is doing the same thing McCain did in 2008. It's called attempting to expand the map. His path to victory is closing raidly because he is behind in just about every single battleground state. You can say it's close, but he's behind everywhere except Florida. He's going to PA as a last ditch effort to try and find an opening. McCain did the same thing in the final days of 2008, and then the Republicans claimed he had pulled ahead there. He lost PA by 10 points.

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