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Re: Election 2012 [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #673737
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo


Ronnie that's coming from NBC. I don't trust their polls as far as I can throw a sumo wrestler. FOX is biased too. Real clear politics has them at a dead heat in Ohio and a Romney slight edge in Florida and I'm more willing to bet on that than super liberal NBC and WSJ.


RCP does not have Ohio as a dead heat. Their average of polls has Obama with a solid 2.9% lead. Of the 11 Ohio polls, Obama is up in 10, and tied in 1.

Obama is probably not winning Florida, but it won't matter. Even without it, he's on pace to win 290 electoral votes.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Just Lou] #673738
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I can't wait until it's over, one way or the other.

The very fact that people are arguing over whether or not polls are accurate (fucking polls!!), speaks volumes about the divide in this country.

No matter what happens Tuesday, roughly 50% of the population is going to COMPLETELY LOATHE the winner---whoever he is---for the next four years (and probably well beyond that).

It's really sad. This election in particular has made me lose all my faith in the two party system. I'm an Independent voter as of this coming Wednesday. My political ideals will remain the same, of course. But I'm done with fucking politicans, their flunkies, and most of all I'm done with those talking heads on television. To the Left I like Stephanopoulos and to the Right I enjoy George Will. You can keep the rest of them.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #673739
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I enjoy all this election bullshit, despite living in a state where my vote means nothing.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673746
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As crazy as this will sound from me of all people, even the local righties will agree with me that Team Willard today is really losing their composure as if they've decided they can't win and already are concerned with self-preservation and finding somebody to blame, which is each other.

Consider that report today coming from "sources close to the Romney campaign" (translation: leaked from the inner circle) where Romney's original VP pick was Christie and in fact some staff members allegedly were taken by surprise with the Ryan pick.

Now why leak this days before tuesday? Perhaps they're trying to undercut Christie after what he did during Sandy and try to paint him as being a bitter jilted bride? Maybe they're trying to blame Ryan, hang him as the scapegoat? Or begin using the argument that Romney would've won if not for Sandy.

So Ryan, now publicly thrown under the bus as a 2nd choice (and buyers remorse by his boss's people), his people are already publicly talking (anonymously of course) about what he might do if his ticket loses Tuesday. (No running mate does this if they really believe they will win, or have a chance of winning.)

I read all this, and I'm baffled by this defeatist attitude. Sure the polling momentum seems to have gone against them (reverse "Mittmentum") and the electoral odds are against them. But they still have a shot of winning.

Seriously this isn't 1964 or 1984 or 1972 when the outcome wasn't exactly in doubt. 2012 is still a close election, but the fact that camp has lost their nerve is really unnecessary, and well if you don't think you can win, why should your supporters?

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673748
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Many Republicans have their panties in a bunch over Governor Christie praise of President Obama after Sandy. Rupert Murdcok tweeted a request that Christie "re-delcare" for Romney or take blame for next four years.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #673755
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Rupert Murdcok tweeted a request that Christie "re-delcare" for Romney or take blame for next four years.

That's ridiculous, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him bow to the pressure of the almighty Fox News rolleyes.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673763
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Fox News wants Obama to win. He's good for their ratings.

For some reason, I don't think people in Wisconsin, Ohio, and Iowa will change their vote or be motivated to come out instead of staying home because of Christie, or Obama's response to Sandy.

I already voted and most key swing states already cast up to 25% of votes.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673773
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Union thugs arrested for taking down Romney signs.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #673776
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Around here, all the guns and ammo dealers are rooting for Obama. After his election in '08, people went so crazy to stock up on guns and ammo that prices doubled. They're expecting an encore if he wins now.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Turnbull] #673781
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Around here, all the guns and ammo dealers are rooting for Obama. After his election in '08, people went so crazy to stock up on guns and ammo that prices doubled. They're expecting an encore if he wins now.


Which is plain silly, considering he has not lobbied for any gun control laws at all.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673786
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LOL!!!

Obama made a pledge during the debates to push for an assault weapons ban and tougher hand gun laws.

His voting record against guns before becoming President speaks for itself.

I'm all for strict registration of guns and ammo and even I think Obama will get tough on guns in his second term. He just has to wait for another massacre to push it when it's a hot topic again.

LOL!!!

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Just Lou] #673807
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Originally Posted By: Just Lou
I enjoy all this election bullshit, despite living in a state where my vote means nothing.


That comment is EXACTLY why the electoral college needs to go. Your vote should matter Lou. It's a joke that it is rendered meaningless.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #673810
11/03/12 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
LOL!!!

Obama made a pledge during the debates to push for an assault weapons ban and tougher hand gun laws.

His voting record against guns before becoming President speaks for itself.

I'm all for strict registration of guns and ammo and even I think Obama will get tough on guns in his second term. He just has to wait for another massacre to push it when it's a hot topic again.

LOL!!!


Did you just make a LOL! sandwich?

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673817
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hello Ronnie, how are you today?

I'm close to switching my prediction.

I had Obama winning 275-263.

Now I think Romney is going to take it. Susquehanna poll had Romney ahead in PA by 4. Minnesota newspapers have it a tie today.

Why would Minnesota be in play? It is in some polls. I'll talk about that later.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673818
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I don't think Romney has lost momentum Ronnie rather it's been a trend since Denver. He's gained so much on Obama these past few months I wouldnt be surprised if he won come Tuesday. But if Obama won that also wouldn't shock me, that's how close it is.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #673826
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I don't think Romney has lost momentum Ronnie rather it's been a trend since Denver. He's gained so much on Obama these past few months I wouldnt be surprised if he won come Tuesday. But if Obama won that also wouldn't shock me, that's how close it is.


Obama is telling voters to get "revenge" by voting against Romney. LOL @ "revenge". Is he running for POTUS or class president in a high school?

Obama is likable but very small time. Using this language shows that his advisers know it's going to be a very close election.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673828
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Meanwhile, over at Fox News tonight lol :


Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673830
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I'll be the first one to say that will not be the case come election day. But I still think Romney can pull 275 maybe 280 votes. Obama could very well get the same amount.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Just Lou] #673831
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Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Meanwhile, over at Fox News tonight lol :




Seriously???? That was on Fox news? Or is that a joke? lol lol



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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #673834
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette



Seriously???? That was on Fox news? Or is that a joke? lol lol



100% true. I was flipping channels, saw this, and immediately took a picture. lol

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673837
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Why is it so funny?

It's one man's prediction. Barone.

He thinks OH, PA, NH, and WI will flip for Romney thus his prediction. Looking at recent polls, each state is going to be close.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #673844
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Why is it so funny?

It's one man's prediction. Barone.

He thinks OH, PA, NH, and WI will flip for Romney thus his prediction. Looking at recent polls, each state is going to be close.


You're leaving out: IA, NV, MN, MI, CO, VA, FL, and the best, NJ. So basically, Romney now is going to win every single battleground state that he is currently losing 3 days before the election, and as a bonus, turn a couple of solid blue states red. wow. lol

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673845
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Romney- VA, FLA, NC, WI, CO

Obama- IA, NH, MN, MI, NV

Can't predict- OH, PA: I wouldn't be surprised if they went either way. Those two states decide the election.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #673846
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Can't predict- OH, PA: I wouldn't be surprised if they went either way. Those two states decide the election.


Romney is not winning PA or WI, and the fact he's going to PA later today shows his campaign believes he isn't winning Ohio.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #673847
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


Obama is telling voters to get "revenge" by voting against Romney. LOL @ "revenge". Is he running for POTUS or class president in a high school?

Obama is likable but very small time. Using this language shows that his advisers know it's going to be a very close election.


Willard is just pissed he didn't come up with the line that would've done wonders for him. (More so than the POTUS.)

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673848
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Various pundits give their EV/PV predictions.

I would love to have some of that shit Cramer is smoking.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/opinions/outlook-crystal-ball-contest/

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Just Lou] #673849
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Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Can't predict- OH, PA: I wouldn't be surprised if they went either way. Those two states decide the election.


Romney is not winning PA or WI, and the fact he's going to PA later today shows his campaign believes he isn't winning Ohio.


Romney was in Ohio on Friday and drew 20,000. He can't spend every day in Ohio. That state is already over-saturated.

The fact that sick old Bill Clinton has to be bothered spending all day in PA shows the Obama administration knows it could be a toss up. I'll bet the final NY Times poll on Monday or Tuesday puts PA in the toss up column.

Wisconsin has been fighting back since 2010. Biden was there with Clinton too. Another toss up state.

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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny


Romney was in Ohio on Friday and drew 20,000. He can't spend every day in Ohio. That state is already over-saturated.

The fact that sick old Bill Clinton has to be bothered spending all day in PA shows the Obama administration knows it could be a toss up. I'll bet the final NY Times poll on Monday or Tuesday puts PA in the toss up column.

Wisconsin has been fighting back since 2010. Biden was there with Clinton too. Another toss up state.


You can believe whatever you want, but the fact is Obama has an average poll lead of 5 points in both PA and WI, and 3 points in OH. There isn't a single poll out there showing Romney leading in any of them. That's a total of about 25 polls. More importantly, Obama has reached or exceeded 50% in many of the polls in all 3 states. Romney hasn't reached 50% in any. You can call these states toss-ups if you like, but it just isn't so.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673851
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As much as I personally despise her, she seems to be actually right on the money when she said this back last year. She later took it back, but prophetic it remains. Possibly.

"Romney will be our nominee and we will lose." - Anne Coulter

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673852
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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
As much as I personally despise her, she seems to be actually right on the money when she said this back last year. She later took it back, but prophetic it remains. Possibly.

"Romney will be our nominee and we will lose." - Anne Coulter


I wonder if she still wants Chris Christie to be the nominee. wink

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