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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #631390
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
When I was growing up, my priest told me if I self-deported myself I'd go blind.


Me too. Call it a miracle, but eventually my sight was restored.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #631412
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Just heard on MSNBC that Newt Gingrich is "threatening" to pull out of other debates IF the audience can't participate. lol Poor Newt, didn't feel the love last night? (or is it hate?).



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Because in uncontrollable situations, like an audience-fueled debate, Mittens doesn't do as well compared to Newt. I wonder who breaks on that issue?

Anyway, if Mittens hoped the Tax issue died with his '10 returns released...I don't know. From Reuters:

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Romney advisers stressed that the holdings in the Caymans -- along with those in a Swiss bank account that was closed in 2010 after an investment adviser decided it could be politically embarrassing to Romney -- were reported on tax returns and were not vehicles to avoid taxes.


Mysterious Swiss Bank? Closed to avoid "embarrasment"? Oh man this story just got better.

But regardless, the tax issue has already done% it's damage to Mittens. Month ago, he was the only GOP candidate with positive favorables. Not anymore. ABC/Washington Post poll:

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In the ABC/WaPo numbers, Mitt has experienced a shift deterioration among independent. Among Republicans and Democrats his numbers have staid pretty stable. Between January 8th to the 22nd, unfavorable opinions of Mitt went up 17 points. Favorable opinions dropped 18 points. That brought him all the way down to 23% favorability, just 2 points ahead of what Dems think of Mitt. His favorables/unfavorables are now 31/49.


http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/1127a14FavorabilityNo14.pdf

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #631415
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It is ironic. Gingrich is a better channel of the white hot hatred that the Republican base has for the President. No doubt.

But Gingrich is not on the ballot on all 50 states and if by some miracle he did get the nomination I think he would turn off independents more than Romney.

It's a pickle; I am enjoying watching it.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Lilo] #631418
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Originally Posted By: Lilo
It is ironic. Gingrich is a better channel of the white hot hatred that the Republican base has for the President. No doubt.

But Gingrich is not on the ballot on all 50 states and if by some miracle he did get the nomination I think he would turn off independents more than Romney.

It's a pickle; I am enjoying watching it.


I know several liberals who think Newt obviously is the more favorable opponent, but they're worried about what if he somehow wins?

In gambling, you always accept risks. Sometimes a prize is so big, you're willing to accept a certain amount of real danger because the payoff is worth the chance.

If there was a choice, the White House would without hesitation roll the dice and go with the self-proclaimed champion of Family Values, where he uses his daughters from his first marriage to attack his second wife, whom he was cheating on with his third wife.

Personally, a Newt nomination (and theoretically fall crash & burn) is what the party needs more than a Mittens nomination. If Mittens loses in November, the right-wing culture/media will argue once again like they did 4 years ago w/ McCain that they lost because their candidate wasn't conservative enough.

If Newt, truely an unashamed, unpolished symbol of the party base at heart, goes down...then the party would be forced to reassess itself for the future.

Do we keep ignoring the demographic trends and start seriously going after the Hispanic vote with measures in modest degrees favorable to them? The country is turning pro-gay rights, how can we avoid getting crushed by that growing momentum of a public concensus wave? If Obamacare or HCR of whatever kind becomes permanent and no longer at stake at the ballot, do we move from hating this socialism and turn to being constructively critical?

Anyway, SOTUS tonight. I predict with zero doubt that Obama will point out Warren Buffett's secretary at the balcony, and ask why she pays less federal tax rate % than her boss (or Mitt romney.)

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #631421
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Better panderer: Mittens or Obama tonight?

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #631428
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Found at a message board. Where are Mythbusters when you need them?

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Did you know that at one time George Romney capped his own CEO pay at American Motors? That is completely the opposite mentality compared to a money grubbing private equity financial engineer.

"Suddenly pertinent fact: When George Romney, Mitt’s father, was chairman and CEO of American Motors, he voluntarily turned down $268,000 in pay over five years, which represented about 20 percent of his earnings over that period. “In 1960, for example,” David Leonhardt reported in a 2007 New York Times article, “he refused a $100,000 bonus. Mr. Romney had previously told the company’s board that no executive needed to make more than $225,000 (about $1.4 million in today’s dollars), a spokesman for American Motors explained at the time, and the bonus would have put him above that threshold.” "

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #631472
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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Better panderer: Mittens or Obama tonight?

Yeah, I got that feeling too, Ronnie. I was hoping that President Obama wouldn't turn the State of the Union Address into a campaign speech, but I guess that was naive of me. I mean, show me a President in his fourth year who hasn't done the exact same thing.

The righty bloggers are already starting with their class warfare bullshit. No one is begrudging anyone their money, but everyone should pay at least the same percentage in taxes. What's right is right. I don't want to sound like a dick, but my wife and I have been pretty fortunate. Although we're not "one percenters," we do enjoy some disposable income. And I think it's only fair that we pay the same tax rate as people who are making less money.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #631476
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I listened to Ann Coulter yesaterday on Michael Medved's show. She stated that this presidential election is the most critical one in our lifetimes. How many times have I heard that? What presidential election during our lifetimes has not been the most critical? By the way, I wonder when she's going to have that adam's apple reduction surgery.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: olivant] #631480
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Originally Posted By: olivant
I listened to Ann Coulter yesaterday on Michael Medved's show. She stated that this presidential election is the most critical one in our lifetimes. How many times have I heard that? What presidential election during our lifetimes has not been the most critical? By the way, I wonder when she's going to have that adam's apple reduction surgery.


I thought the 2004 election was the most critical since we couldn't change leadership while fighting a war. That was after the most critical 2000 election where it was important to have a changing of the guard from the morally lacking Clinton years. What about 2008, when it was the most critical one due to the financial meltdown that was taking place.

The only reason this one is the most critical election to her is to pave the way for her newest book and her radio show.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Don Marco] #631483
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Yea, I remember the "You can't change Presidents during a war." That worked out well didn't it? rolleyes

Back to the election, I hear rumblings on news shows that the Republicans could STILL (after Fla) have someone new enter the race. I thought there were deadlines to do so AND wouldn't this person who entered late be at a disadvantage? confused BTW, can you believe a name I keep hearing is Jeb Bush? Although, I get a sense that Jeb is the smarter one, can you imagine a third Bush? panic

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #631489
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TIS, late entrants are possible. However, each state has a procedure with dealines to have one's name placed on a primary ballot. So, for all practical purposes those deadlines have passed or will pass shortly. Still, there are many unpledged delegates who could rally around a candidate during the convention.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: olivant] #631491
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Originally Posted By: olivant
TIS, late entrants are possible. However, each state has a procedure with dealines to have one's name placed on a primary ballot. So, for all practical purposes those deadlines have passed or will pass shortly. Still, there are many unpledged delegates who could rally around a candidate during the convention.


Rally around a totally NEW candidate? confused


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #631492
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Originally Posted By: olivant
TIS, late entrants are possible. However, each state has a procedure with dealines to have one's name placed on a primary ballot. So, for all practical purposes those deadlines have passed or will pass shortly. Still, there are many unpledged delegates who could rally around a candidate during the convention.


Rally around a totally NEW candidate? confused

TIS


A late entrant.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #631503
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Yea, I remember the "You can't change Presidents during a war." That worked out well didn't it? rolleyes

Back to the election, I hear rumblings on news shows that the Republicans could STILL (after Fla) have someone new enter the race. I thought there were deadlines to do so AND wouldn't this person who entered late be at a disadvantage? confused BTW, can you believe a name I keep hearing is Jeb Bush? Although, I get a sense that Jeb is the smarter one, can you imagine a third Bush? panic

TIS



I probably shouldn't admit this, but when you say Jeb is the smart one the vision I keep seeing is from the Newhart Show, with Larry (the smart one) introducing himself and his brothers. "Hi, I'm Larry. This is my brother Darryl and my other brother, Darryl."


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #631506
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Originally Posted By: olivant


A late entrant.


olivant is right about the filing deadlines. It does make sense for someone to pop up now, if only work in forcing a brokered convention. But who man, imagine if that did come true and you have Mittens/Newt/Mystery Candidate duking out for that tab, while Ron Paul could turn heel and burn his party for an independent bid, or try to influence the convention outcome.

But I'll say this right now: Jeb Bush aint that white knight. His name alone is toxic. Notice how his brother's name doesn't seem to pop up all that much at the debates, nobody really trying to tie themselves to that brand-name. (Exception was Newt defending his Tax Cuts, but that's it recently I'm aware of to my knowledge.)

I might suggest Mitch Daniels, but he's waiting for '16. Christie has burned the national GOP bridge (for now) for nominating a gay black judge to the NJ Supreme Court, Rubio don't want to piss away his #1 contender status as the running mate pick. Jindal? Maybe.

I know! Donald Trump.

Originally Posted By: olivant
I listened to Ann Coulter yesterday on Michael Medved's show. She stated that this presidential election is the most critical one in our lifetimes. How many times have I heard that? What presidential election during our lifetimes has not been the most critical? By the way, I wonder when she's going to have that adam's apple reduction surgery.


She's right actually. '12 is the most critical election of our lifetime. Until the next one four years later.

Poor Anne. Someday somebody will raise the necessary money to give her that surgery she desperately needs.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #631508
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

Yeah, I got that feeling too, Ronnie. I was hoping that President Obama wouldn't turn the State of the Union Address into a campaign speech, but I guess that was naive of me. I mean, show me a President in his fourth year who hasn't done the exact same thing.


I understood the point, a Clintonian strategic speech in pandering to the middle class in perks and values. Also gave specific proposals for down the ticket local/state Democrats to run on and bludgeon the GOP Congress.

If anything, the speech came off as a moderate Republican address. You know if anybody in the GOP was sane. I did think however the high school segment was just retarded in general, but others have pointed out why that's stupid already, so let's move on from that handjob.

But all that said, if this was a shameless handjob, it worked apparently rather well.

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91 percent of those who watched the speech approved of the proposals Mr. Obama put forth during his remarks. Only nine percent disapproved. Last year, 83 percent of viewers approved of Mr. Obama's State of the Union remarks.This year, 82 percent of those who watched the speech said they approve of the president's plans for the economy, up from 53 percent who approved before the speech. Eighty percent said they approved of Mr. Obama's plans for the deficit -- in contrast to 45 percent before the speech. Eighty-three percent approved of Mr. Obama's proposals regarding Afghanistan, which received only a 57 percent approval rating beforehand.


From a 50 person focus group of self-described "swing voters":

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The dials spiked when the President made his strong populist pitch for the “Buffet Rule,” with Democrats exceeding 80 on our 0-to-100 scale and both independents and Republicans moving above 70. There was no polarization here, as voters across the political spectrum gave Obama high marks. And Obama’s framing of the economic challenges facing the country through the lens of post-World War II America was particularly effective. He also received high marks for his proposal to change the tax code to encourage “insourcing” instead of “outsourcing,” his call to change our “unemployment system” to a “re-employment system” and his appeal to make it easier for entrepreneurs and small business to grow and create jobs.


http://www.democracycorps.com/strategy/2...s-message/#ftn1

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #631520
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I thought this was funny lol





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Mitt Romney:

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"Well, the banks aren't bad people. They're just overwhelmed right now."


If that new gaffe wasn't bad enough, then The Boss talks...

Rupert Murdoch: 'Romney's Tax Returns Might Kill His Chances'

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/4709

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Ha ha ha ha! Mitt actually said that? lol lol





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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #631540
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I hope Pelosi wasn't just mouthing off. Her remarks reminded me that Gloria Allred claimed to have witnesses to Herman Cain's sexual harrassment, but they were never revealed.


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A woman attending a Santorum event in Florida wanted to know why President Obama was still allowed to remain in office since he wasn't "legally" the President, ignores the Constitution and is an "avowed Muslim". Santorum, good Christian that he is, simply said that he was doing the best he could to get President Obama out of office, ignoring the mud she was slinging.

When asked why he didn't correct the woman, Santorum told reporters it wasn't his responsibility to correct every statement he disagreed with. Of course it's not. That might take balls.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...bamas-religion/


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Awesome speech last night by Obama. Hard to disagree with most of what he said unless you have a personal grudge against the man, but unfortunately the majority who control the House do have that grudge. :-/

Obama 2012


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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
I thought this was funny lol





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That is funny. I talked to my mom 2nite (who doesn't follow politics at all or even vote) and I just said I hope Obama gets re-elected. She told me not worry because no one likes Mitt or Newt. lol


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Bush gave more food stamps out.
( This is a stat, not a joke.)

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
A woman attending a Santorum event in Florida wanted to know why President Obama was still allowed to remain in office since he wasn't "legally" the President, ignores the Constitution and is an "avowed Muslim". Santorum,
Obama gave less food stamps then bush


good Christian that he is, simply said that he was doing the best he could to get President Obama out of office, ignoring the mud she was slinging.

When asked why he didn't correct the woman, Santorum told reporters it wasn't his responsibility to correct every statement he disagreed with. Of course it's not. That might take balls.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...bamas-religion/

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Anyone think Newt will bring this gaffe up tonight at the debate?

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INGRAHAM: You’ve also noted that there are signs of improvement on the horizon in the economy. How do you answer the president’s argument that the economy is getting better in a general election campaign if you yourself are saying it’s getting better?

ROMNEY: Well, of course it’s getting better. The economy always gets better after a recession, there is always a recovery. […]

INGRAHAM: Isn’t it a hard argument to make if you’re saying, like, OK, he inherited this recession, he took a bunch of steps to try to turn the economy around, and now, we’re seeing more jobs, but vote against him anyway? Isn’t that a hard argument to make? Is that a stark enough contrast?

ROMNEY: Have you got a better one, Laura? It just happens to be the truth.


http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-rachel-maddow-show/46078839#null

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By JIM VANDEHEI and MIKE ALLEN | 1/26/12 8:00 AM EST Updated: 1/26/12 8:45 AM EST

Newt Gingrich better hope voters who lapped up his delicious hits on the “elite media” and liberals don’t read the Drudge Report this morning. Or the National Review. Or the American Spectator. Or Ann Coulter.

If they do, Gingrich comes off looking like a dangerous, anti-Reagan, Clintonian fraud

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/72000.html#ixzz1ka7vk0o4


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I like newt, Romney is too phony, he needs to go get a shinebox and shine some shoes in front of people


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Patrick] #631638
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Originally Posted By: Patrick
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I thought this was funny lol
OMG ..Where did you find a picture of Santorum with a suit on, he usually wheres a sweater vest, like everyday is sunday! this photo might be prettu rare




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That is funny. I talked to my mom 2nite (who doesn't follow politics at all or even vote) and I just said I hope Obama gets re-elected. She told me not worry because no one likes Mitt or Newt. lol


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #631657
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Now Mittens says his tax rate is actually "closer" to 45-50%.* Willard, buddy, I think you....being yourself has already cemented your original 15% claim to the public.

In other news, he's outspending Newt 3 to 1 in Florida.

*=Well 15% is closer to 45% than 13.9%, so maybe he was telling the truth, or a variation of it, in the first place.

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In addition, several high profile Republicans are attacking Gingrich including Bob Dole.


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