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Re: "It was Michael who killed Sollozzo" - Sigh
[Re: Danito]
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12/16/10 11:58 AM
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what kind of orders would Vito have given after the hospital attack, if he could have talked to Tom or Sonny? Would he have ordered to launch a press campaign against McCluskey?
This is an impossible question to answer because the circumstances were that Vito was critically wounded and unable to act, Sollozzo was going to try to kill him again, and Sollozzo had a New York police captain as his body guard. So under THOSE circumstances Vito could have done nothing but be semi conscious in the hospital. The whole point is Vito could not be in this situation and be able to decide anything.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: "It was Michael who killed Sollozzo" - Sigh
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12/16/10 12:43 PM
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If Vito had been well enough to take command after the shooting and hospital attempt, I believe he would have tried to find a solution short of all-out war. His prestige, political clout and diplomatic skills--coupled with the fact that the head of the largest and most powerful family in NYC had survived and was in charge--might have forced a solution short of war. I'll guess that he'd have decreed that Sollozzo was to be killed--perhaps by the Tattaglias, since they vouched for him--and that the Tattaglias would have to pay an indemnity to him. But I'm sure Vito would want to limit killing because the more deaths, the more resentment, the more thirst for vengeance.
BTW: I've often posted that tipping the newspapers to Mac's corruption and his relationship with Sol would have provided a nonviolent solution when Vito was out of commission. The police commissioner would have had to provide uniformed protection to Vito in hospital, and would probably have suspended Mac "pending investigation." Sol would be hunted down and either jailed or deported. Vito's political muscle might have been used to either have Mac dismissed from the force, or prosecuted. There would have been no Five Families War of 1946--and no GF Trilogy.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: "It was Michael who killed Sollozzo" - Sigh
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12/16/10 04:45 PM
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If Vito had been well enough to take command after the shooting and hospital attempt, I believe he would have tried to find a solution short of all-out war. His prestige, political clout and diplomatic skills--coupled with the fact that the head of the largest and most powerful family in NYC had survived and was in charge--might have forced a solution short of war. I'll guess that he'd have decreed that Sollozzo was to be killed--perhaps by the Tattaglias, since they vouched for him--and that the Tattaglias would have to pay an indemnity to him. But I'm sure Vito would want to limit killing because the more deaths, the more resentment, the more thirst for vengeance.
BTW: I've often posted that tipping the newspapers to Mac's corruption and his relationship with Sol would have provided a nonviolent solution when Vito was out of commission. The police commissioner would have had to provide uniformed protection to Vito in hospital, and would probably have suspended Mac "pending investigation." Sol would be hunted down and either jailed or deported. Vito's political muscle might have been used to either have Mac dismissed from the force, or prosecuted. There would have been no Five Families War of 1946--and no GF Trilogy. What Michael saw was it was "key" for Sollozzo to kill Vito. If that is the case Vito indeed would want him out of the way. While I agree Vito would have done whatever it takes to avoid a war, keep in mind that by the time it was decided that Michel would kill Sollozzo, Luca Brasi was already dead. Further, while Vito may have demanded the Tatts kill Sol to make things even, I am not so sure they could do it. Sol was working for Barz, not Tatt, and Barz with his outsized ambition may have pushed for a war...especially one between the Corleones and the Tatts with him on the sidelines if that was possible.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
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Re: "It was Michael who killed Sollozzo" - Sigh
[Re: Don Cardi]
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12/27/10 11:05 AM
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With all due respect, the Don was slippin'. Could they have done that ten years earlier?
Sanitashun? Ah tole joo to tell dem joo was in a sanatorium. Not sanitashun.
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Re: "It was Michael who killed Sollozzo" - Sigh
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05/06/11 10:09 AM
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Vito brands Sonny a 'bad don' but I think Sonny did the best he could, he didnt retaliate the second he heard about the shooting, he waited, he discussed, he found out who the traitor was in his family and had him killed - as Vito would have done, and he took Bruno out in part for trying to off Vito a second time, but also for hitting Luca Brasi...would Vito truly have not responded in kind under those circumstances? A man that one shot a man in the mouth simply because he demanded $200 off him?
Sonny - Well then, business will have to suffer, all right? And listen, do me a favor, Tom. No more advice on how to patch things up, just help me win, please
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Re: "It was Michael who killed Sollozzo" - Sigh
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05/06/11 11:09 AM
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Vito brands Sonny a 'bad don' but I think Sonny did the best he could, he didnt retaliate the second he heard about the shooting, he waited, he discussed, he found out who the traitor was in his family and had him killed - as Vito would have done, and he took Bruno out in part for trying to off Vito a second time, but also for hitting Luca Brasi...would Vito truly have not responded in kind under those circumstances? A man that one shot a man in the mouth simply because he demanded $200 off him? It's unclear how much Vito knows of the process that led to Michael's killing of Sollozzo and McCluskey, and it's unclear what makes Vito brand Sonny a "bad Don." Hovwever, it seems like Sonny's desire to kill Sollozzo is the right move for the wrong reasons. There's no indication that Sonny thinks strategically or looks at the big picutre. He certainly doesn't seem like the type to keep his enemies closer. Sonny is willing to let business suffer to get revenge and his instinct is to forego a peaceful solution on principle alone. All in all, I'd say indications are that Sonny was bad Don.
"A man in my position cannot afford to be made to look ridiculous!"
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Re: "It was Michael who killed Sollozzo" - Sigh
[Re: Danito]
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05/06/11 11:17 AM
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So didnt Vito risk everything, his life? the ability of his friend Tommasino to walk...just to get revenge on Ciccio?
Sonny - Well then, business will have to suffer, all right? And listen, do me a favor, Tom. No more advice on how to patch things up, just help me win, please
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Re: "It was Michael who killed Sollozzo" - Sigh
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05/06/11 03:02 PM
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So didnt Vito risk everything, his life? the ability of his friend Tommasino to walk...just to get revenge on Ciccio? Good point. But I'd bring up the business/personal distinction. I think Vito would say that the revenge on Don Ciccio was personal. But he'd agree with Tom that the Sollozzo incident was business, and pure vengeance has no place in the realm of business.
"A man in my position cannot afford to be made to look ridiculous!"
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Re: "It was Michael who killed Sollozzo" - Sigh
[Re: Danito]
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05/06/11 05:29 PM
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Tommasino was absolutely needed for the meeting with Ciccio, how else could an appointment with Ciccio be secured without the facade of Don Tommasino wanting his blessing for Genco?
As for the personal/business distinction, I defy anyone on earth not to take two assasination attempts on their father personally.
Sonny - Well then, business will have to suffer, all right? And listen, do me a favor, Tom. No more advice on how to patch things up, just help me win, please
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