Thanks, Kly.
This case has moved glacially since the guy was charged four years ago. The first trial ended in mistrial after the presiding judge was disabled by a brain tumor, which eventually killed him. Then the defense attorneys resigned for some undisclosed reason. Then the new defense attorneys found that employees of the prosecutor's office saw some privileged documents they weren't supposed to see. That took almost two years to adjudicate (in the prosecution's favor). The defendant has been in solitary for more than two years because the county sheriff claims he was dangerous to other prisoners. His attorneys objected, but a judge ruled that he had no jurisdiction over the sheriff.

Kly, Zimmermann's defense attorney is requesting an acquittal direction. Do all directed verdict's have to originate with the defense? Does the state ever request one? Also, can a judge direct one without a request?

In criminal cases requests for directed verdicts, which have to be made immediately after the prosecution rests, are limited to defendants. If viewing the prosecution's evidence in a light most favorable to the state, the judge determines there is insufficient evidence, on which a jury may draw reasonable inferences to conclude that the defendant is guilty, the judge is obligated to direct a verdict in favor of the deefnse.

The judge can not direct a verdict unless it is requested. Having a directed verdict granted is rare, but it happened to me once.

spoken like a true Texan

George Zimmerman raped his little cousin years ago and now he's murdered someone

if anybody has no credibility it's zimmerman

I don't anything about him raping his cousin years ago but it's got nothing to do with the present case. And if you've been paying attention to the evidence, which you apparently haven't, the most Zimmerman appears to be guilty of is involuntary manslaughter. The 2nd degree murder charge is a joke and only came because of political pressure due to the racial aspect of the case.

I know yall don't think child rape is a big deal in Utah BUT IT IS

him raping his little cousin shows that he's a degenerate sociopath

and it's impossible to involuntarily shoot somebody

George Zimmerman will have plenty time to battle black males in prison

i don't even know where to start with people like you. first off, where is this proof that zimmerman raped his cousin? thought so. secondly, have you watched any of the trial? judging by the crap that you have posted its pretty clear that you have not and have fell for the silly msm portrayal hook, line, and sinker. there has been no disputing the fact that he shot trayvon, but that isn't what the trial is about. as much as you and plenty of others who have an emotional stake in this whole circus for whatever reason want to believe, simply shooting someone doesn't = murder. my advice to you would be to actually follow the trial instead of getting your outlook from nancy grace.

I highly doubt his little cousin was lying when she accused him of rape

he stalked and killed an unarmed teenager at night in the pouring rain

he asked people to donate money for his legal defense and then instructed his wife to use the proceeds to pay bills over the phone while using code words like a "CRIMINAL"

how many more times does this guy have to prove that he's a piece of shit?

I am so afarid that no matter what happens here we are going to have a real race problem after this is over.- Signed OJ Simpson

like i said, its probably a good idea for you to at least watch some of the recaps from the trial, but what the hell, your mind is already made up so that would be a waste of time. given your failure to look at anything objectively even when there is evidence to at the very least call into question what you may think, i'm not the least bit surprised. look to the whole outfit saga on here for proof of that! so his little cousin was the one who accused him of rape, huh? funny, even a quick google search will show you that it was an un-named witness who made those claims, but thats probably worth overlooking! its very credible that the claims only came out once this whole circus started. its also unreasonable to think that it might have anything to do with character assassination, because so far at least we have surely not seen anything like that!

its also a very good thing that the evidence presented so far has made it crystal clear that the guy shot trayvon in the back as he was running away, as the forensic evidence has proved. thank god there were no visible injuries on the accused, because that might play on that whole outdated concept of reasonable doubt. seriously though, i think that someone should go to jail regardless, the hell with a trial! like you stated, he would then have justice(or revenge, fuck it same thing) served to him by "black males".

You're as clueless on this issue as you are on organized crime discussions. Nobody said child rape wasn't a big deal, Mr. Straw Man. But, assuming that happened, what does it have to do with this case? Look up the definitions of 2nd degree murder, voluntary manslaughter, and involuntary manslaughter. The latter seems to fit the Zimmerman situation the best.

@fivefelonies


you're sick in the head just like George Zimmerman

if there is a hell then it's full of people that think exactly like you


@ivyleague


polygamist camps is the only organized crime that you've ever witnessed

the fact that he raped his cousin shows his lack of character

people that lack character stalk teenagers in the pouring rain and then shoot them

Notice how you keep taking personal shots, as well as keep going back to this alleged rape of his cousin, without addressing the present case at hand. "Stalk teenagers in the pouring rain" hardly sums it up but is just you being simplistic because you don't have an argument and are going on pure emotion. And I think I may have a good idea why.

all i have ot say to that is heh. so people who look at things as they have so far been presented are sick in the head and belong in hell? thats rich coming from someone who jumps into political discussions much like a new swimmer jumps into rough surf, totally unprepared and without a clue of what they are getting themselves into. let me give you a window into how a debate works: you offer up your own position. if someone disagrees with said position, you generally counter their arguments with some of your own, backed up by facts if you can muster it. you have done neither, and have resorted to cheesy personal attacks while ignoring info that was presented to you, very telling. my guess, you are probably one of those dopes calling for rioting if the verdict doesn't go your way, forget the fact that you don't have a clue whats going on from the start.


some more advice, simply stating something as a fact does not make it so. i've already addressed this point, but again, much like anything else with you, you ignore anything that simply doesn't fit into your view of the way things are.

@ivyleague


there ain't much to discuss at this point

either you think Zimmerman should go to jail or you don't

a lot of people that want to see Zimmerman go free view him as a martyr


@fivefelonies


grow some balls and go do what Zimmerman did

don't idolize that sick bastard, be a copycat of that sick bastard

No, there isn't much to discuss because we've seen the evidence. I certainly don't see Zimmerman as some sort of martyr but I don't see Treyvon as a martyr either. What we have is an overzealous neighborhood watch guy who went beyond his role, got attacked by a thug, and pulled the trigger once he knew he was in over his head. Involuntary manslaughter? Yes. 2nd degree murder? No.

When Zimmerman was first charged with the second degree murder indictment, I stated on here that I felt the prosecutors were bluffing and overcharged him in the hope that Zimmerman and his lawyers might accept a plea bargain for manslaughter, which I thought was the appropriate charge given the evidence that had come out at that time in the media.

After seeing this trial play out so far, in my opinion the evidence is not there/prosecutors have failed to prove that Zimmerman acted with "ill will," "hatred," and "an indifference to human life" -which is a requirement for a second degree murder conviction. In my opinion, there has been no compelling evidence thus far regarding Zimmerman's motive. At this point, the prosecution has clearly dropped the ball and I can see Zimmerman walking.

Just my two cents.

DD, I think what enraged people when this first happened was that Zimmerman wasn't arrested. I don't know if actual murder was committed that night, we haven't seen all the facts yet. However, I do believe that an arrest and trial were warranted given the circumstances in order for such a determination to be made. Thankfully, that happened.

trayvon martin would've had a gun or a knife on him if he were a thug

George Zimmerman was playing rent-a-cop, accosted somebody and then shot him

I reiterate that if trayvon was a thug he would've had a weapon that night

George Zimmerman will have fun playing coppers and robbers in the can

You don't need to have a weapon to act like a thug. Trayvon demonstrated that. If he really had nothing to hide, he should have just ignored the rent-a-cop, and he'd still be alive.

if trayvon had something to hide then they woulda found it in his pockets

he ran from the rent-a-cop (zimmermans own words)

the rent-a-cop caught up with him and the rest is history

Zimmerman will go free. 100%. I'm living in Orlando these days and Sanford is just north east about 20 minutes and even all the people down here say the man defended himself with a gun which is totally except able in the fine state of Florida. Don't be thuggish around and breaking into houses if you don't want a "rent a cop" being suspicious of you.

I agree.

I don't think we will ever know all the actual facts of this case especially considering one of the participants is dead. So we have use what we got.

Travon knew people who just "Gave him" jewelry. Wedding rings, other items,


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3014413/posts

Having something to hide doesn't necessarily mean something on his person. It could mean hiding whatever he was up to. If he wasn't up to anything, why did he run? Why did he attack Zimmerman? Yes, Zimmerman was acting like an overzealous rent-a-cop (who should have just waited for the real police) but Trayvon escalated the situation by acting like a thug.

@logomassini



trayvon martin was walking to his fathers girlfriends home

and he has no history of breaking into houses

have fun down in florida if Zimmerman walks free

yall better be ready to stand your ground when both parties have guns


@ivyleague

so it's okay for Zimmerman to stalk martin and then shoot him?

but it ain't alright for trayvon to defend himself against this lunatic?

go pull a George Zimmerman if you feel what he did was proper

While Zimmerman was being overzealous in his role, to say he was "stalking" Trayvon is absurd. Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, not the other way around. It was then that Zimmerman defended himself by shooting Trayvon. Trayvon was the aggressor. If you had been paying attention to the case you would know this.

You have to have a pretty warped view of the world to think that an armed grown man following, confronting and then shooting an unarmed child wasn't the aggressor.

Trayvon was no "thug". He wasn't breaking into homes. He wasn't doing anything other than going home to his father. And the justification for using self-defense in the state of Florida does not apply to the person who provokes the attack.

Did Trayvon have a right to stand his ground and defend himself?
Or is that by definition not available to black people? Let's check the statute...

That's the dumbest argument I heard so far. Trayvon not having a weapon doesn't classify him as a thug? A lot of thugs, whatever department of crime to choose to pursue and lets say drugs for example aren't going to carry a weapon on them(at least on the street). They'll keep them close by, but if your a thug going to your boo's house then why would you pack a pistol or blade, it wasn't like he was walking thru the projects