It was quite awhile ago. As I remember, I think it was I that could not remember if a witness had been sworn in. None of the other jurors could remember either. I don't remmeber what drew our attention to that witness. We didn't know if we could ask about it, so that's what prompted the first question. The judge asked what question, so we asked him about the witness.

Staff reports, CNBC.com – 24 min.

Judge tosses out NYC's planned ban on sugary drinks

A judge on Monday invalidated New York City's plan to ban large sugary drinks from restaurants and other eateries, one day before the new law was to take effect.

By Bernard Vaughan

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A federal judge has ruled unconstitutional national security provisions that permit federal investigators to access customer information from some companies without court approval.

The provisions "suffer from significant constitutional infirmities," and violate the First Amendment and separation of powers, Judge Susan Illston of the District Court for the Northern District of California wrote in an order on Thursday.

Those Steubenville rape kids were found guilty. There's a video in the link. Listening to the kids cry at the verdict isn't easy, but they did a terrible thing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/17...l?ncid=webmail1

Also, the grand jury will hear evidence that will probably lead to further indictments, trials, and plea bargains. This is not over and will be followed by civil suits.

Those kids deserve everything they get IMO.

Everything and more. And just wait until you've raised two daughters like I have. Then you can take your outrage and multiply it times a hundred. I seriously would have killed them both and let the chips fall, 16 years old or not.

We recently had a rape trial here, and the defendants were 12 and 13! They broke into their neighbor's house and sexually assaulted their two daughters, raping one. This happened several times until the girls finally told. Now, the parents of the defendants are crying and one of the mothers collapsed in court.

Although it's referred to as a sex crime, rape is a crime of rage, to assert control over another human. What made those young boys so angry, so in need to control another, at their age?

Kids, they think they are adults, or so badly want to be adults that they don't think straight.

"Young, dumb and full of cum is that old saying that comes to mind."
They never think ahead of what the consequences will be. Even the the young women should be so careful now a days. Trust no one except yourself and never let your guard down. Don't leave yourself open to become a victim
Trust no one! No matter how much you think you know them. They just may let you down! Look how a thing like these has changed several young peoples lives.

Would you have really done that? Remember the kid OJ killed his father the guy with the nice mustache took OJ to court in a civil suit a joke.

What you would do is not easy to do for a regular person. Not every one is willing to give up everything thry have built in a life time of work to get revenge.

Plus is is very hard to plan out. Some people might think it is easier way would be to get to others in their family. You might even get away with it. Get them where they breath who needs to actually get them. Get some one they love they will suffer

They got quite a bit for playing stink finger as one man put it. And while in jail they will find out what it feels like to have others unwant touch. But withouted the aid of something to dull the mind (drink) before hand.

I bet you there are a few others shaking in their pants right now.

Those boys flushed their lives down the drain. Yeah, they'll get out of jail in a few years, but they'll never escape the consequences of being branded "Sexual Predator."

SB is exactly right about rape. It is not so much a sex crime as it is a crime of depraved violence.

As I posted above, there will be agrand jury investigations that will in al probability result in charges against others. However, what I failed to notice until today is that it will be a State's Attorney that will convene the grand jury. That really complicates things for potential grand jury targets.

Kly, what do you think?

I aagree that there are more indictments to follow. It's not unusual for a flurry of grand jury activity to follow a criminal conviction. My guess is that if the grand jury indicts other consirators, there will be great efforts to secure plea agreements.

Kly, their convictions were based on testimony secured by grants of immunity. Can such immunity ever be overcome to pursue prosecution.

Bill Clinton will think twice about the next time he wets his cigar!

Yes, without blinking an eye. Have you seen the photo of them carrying her around like a short loin of beef?

When it somes to daughters all bets are off.

A good friend of mine posted CNN's report on their FB page. The coverage was disgraceful. They talked about the ruined lives of the rapists, their ruined potential, that they'll have to register as sex offenders (perhaps because they ARE sex offenders!) and how brave they were to stand up in court and apologize for their actions. The coverage was disgraceful. They barely made mention of the victim at all.

[video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MvUdyNko8LQ[/video]

Another example of under age drinking going bad in a hurry. Do you start to blame movies who make fun of these types of partys, You Tube? Facebook and postings.... and how about the women who are involed? what part should they shoudler in all this? Were other women there? did they not watch out for her? How amny other times have things like this happen and no one went to jail...they just laughted it off and the tales became stories around around the dorm room and the campfires. How many times did this happen before this leaked out? How about the parents? should they have watch their children better? Damn so many things in the mix....

Or do they all think it is just fun and games and a fun night throwing back a few.....

That's what they always think - a night of fun and games. My daughter's college tried to cover up a similar incident, and the poor girl killed herself. Imagine the hell she went through?

I think I would have rather done what I suggested to do.

Yes. But it must be based only on evidence independent of the testimony if it was use immunity. It can be very difficult.

Could it be to protect her? maybe because of her age?
Then again they had no problem showing and talking about the boys before they were convicted...then again she was the victim.
Damn How bad must she have been not to remember much and had to piece things together. Did they say she was druged or had she taken that much to drink?

A parents worst fear. You will never hear of all the women who have gone thru these types of things and bury it deep inside their whole lives.

She admits that she drank, but believes she was drugged because of how incapacitated she was. Who knows for sure? All I know is that they are getting off very lightly, IMO. A year in jail? And I believe they're getting credit for time served. If they had been tried as adults, they would have faced 5-12 years.

I'll get called a liberal for this, but the righties think I'm a liberal anyway (even though I'm clearly a moderate).

Here goes: The Black kid is very lucky that his co-defendant was White. If it were two Black kids who raped a White girl, they would have found a way to charge them as adults and given them whatever the max allowed.

Didn't I read that they didn't find any remains of drugs in her system?
I have to go back and reread some things. Like where did this all happen....and the real kicker will be where they got the boose and if it happen in someone place can they be libel for damages?

Does anyone know if there WERE any other girls at this party?
My parents would have tore me a new one if I went out and didn't take care of my friends at a party. Friends don't let these things happen to them.

Look at that Holloway gal on that school trip!

Oh, so right on that! But I think they didn't feel that they raped her. Like Bill Clinton said- I did Not have sexual relation with that girl.
It was digital insertion, so they figure that was not rape.

FATHERSON you think that's funny?

1. Don't Think
2. Don't Suggest
3. Act