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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #684567
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Originally Posted By: olivant
Scalia is th eprime example of what rightwingers criticize about judges - they base their judicial opinions on their personal opinions. He is the poster child for substantive due process.

lol lol lol


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #684814
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The beat goes on:

(Reuters) - Four people died on a Pennsylvania highway on Friday when a gunman shot dead three people and later was killed in a shootout with police, authorities said.

Three state troopers were injured in the incident in Frankstown Township, about 100 miles east of Pittsburgh.

Investigators suspect the shooter might have been driving when he opened fire, shooting people for unknown reasons, the Pittsburgh Tribune Review reported, citing an official with the Blair County Emergency Management Agency.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #685059
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Okay ladies. Go get 'em!

(CNN) -- Can a boss fire an employee he finds attractive because he and his wife, fairly or not, see her as a threat to their marriage?

Yes, the Iowa Supreme Court ruled Friday.

"The question we must answer is ... whether an employee who has not engaged in flirtatious conduct may be lawfully terminated simply because the boss views the employee as an irresistible attraction," Justice Edward M. Mansfield wrote for the all-male high court.

Such firings may not be fair, but they do not constitute unlawful discrimination under the Iowa Civil Rights Act, the decision read, siding with a lower court.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/21/justice/iowa-irresistible-worker/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #685535
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DALLAS (AP)

A grand jury in Texas has formally indicted Dallas Cowboys nose tackle Josh Brent on one count of intoxication manslaughter.

Brent is charged in connection with a Dec. 8 crash that killed his friend and Cowboys practice squad member Jerry Brown. He is out of jail on $100,000 bond.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #689965
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http://news.yahoo.com/savile-report-details-child-sex-abuse-101623631.html
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LONDON (AP) — British police say the late entertainer Jimmy Savile committed more than 200 sex crimes over more than half a century, with most victims children and teens assaulted the length and breadth of Britain, from TV studios to hospitals and even a hospice.
Police said in a report released Friday that the scale of Savile's sex abuse was "unprecedented in the UK." They have recorded 214 offenses allegedly committed by Savile, including 34 rapes. In all, 450 people have come forward with information about abuse by the late TV presenter.
The number of Savile's crimes is likely to rise beyond 214 as more victims' reports were officially recorded, said Detective Superintendent David Gray, the chief investigating police officer.
Savile's victims would be disappointed he had not faced justice in his lifetime, said Cmdr. Peter Spindler, a senior police officer.


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #689975
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Years ago I was in criminal court for something. There were people outside trying to get signatures to end the death penalty. I signed one then I told the women why I signed it. The reason was it could give the guys more chance off killing the guards.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #690202
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We need suppermacy of law.Let the court decide every thing.We just need justice for every single person.

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #690594
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Arrested for filming the police.
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Andrew Henderson not only had his camera taken from him by police in Little Canada, Minnesota but he was charged with violating the the federal Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) by filming officers responding to a call.

Henderson, 28, was filming Ramsey County deputies arresting a man when his camera was confiscated by a deputy, Jacqueline Muellner...


http://jonathanturley.org/2013/01/09/min...lice-in-public/


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Lilo] #690595
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^^ I don't like this at all!! The filming of police in a public setting is no crime!! It, in fact, (IMO) is a valuable check on police abuse and is a useful tool to help keep a lid on such abuse (much like the press keeps possible government abuse in check. Freedom of the press is guaranteed and this public videoing should be, too).


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Originally Posted By: SC
^^ I don't like this at all!! The filming of police in a public setting is no crime!! It, in fact, (IMO) is a valuable check on police abuse and is a useful tool to help keep a lid on such abuse (much like the press keeps possible government abuse in check. Freedom of the press is guaranteed and this public videoing should be, too).

Agreed, SC. The cops and prosecutors love to say that when people have nothing to hide, then they don't have to worry about Government intrusion. But when the shoe is on the other foot, then all of a sudden it's a big deal. Double standard much?

Bottom line: Cops don't like being filmed ever since that Rodney fella out in L.A. twenty years ago. Fucking goons mad.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #690614
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Everyone carries a camera phone now. Who actually thinks cops are good? I respect soldiers, I respect firemen I dislike the police.

Although I have one friend that was a cop. He was my handy man for years. If he could not fix something he knew some one that could. He is pretty sick now I understand.

The only reason why I liked him is because he remembers me from my Harlem days. At that time he was a tactile patrol cop the guys on horses. He was there during the Harlem riots during the sixties. They tried to keep the rioters from moving east of Lexington ave.

I was a Red Wing back then and told him don't worry we will take care of them. He remembered our little talk back then.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #690615
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The press keeps government abuse in check? Do they, have they did that even once since Obama took office?


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #691347
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Every thing is clearly mention in the law of the country.The implementation and rule of law is necessary to avoid any social hazard and to achieve better economic growth.

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: RichieAnimal] #691351
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Originally Posted By: RichieAnimal
The press keeps government abuse in check? Do they, have they did that even once since Obama took office?

Yes.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ny-ti...--politics.html


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #691502
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Georgetown law professor Seidman would like to junk the Constitution.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/opinio...l&_r=1&

If you were king/queen for a day what changes would you make in the Constitution?


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Lilo] #691567
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I don't think we need a new Constitution, but a new Congress would be nice.

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #691667
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snicker...


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #691708
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From the "I can't stand success" file:

Updated Jan 17, 2013 5:42 PM ET GREAT FALLS, Mont. (AP)

Former NFL quarterback Ryan Leaf is in prison after threatening a staffer and violating his therapeutic plan at a drug treatment center.

Leaf was serving nine months of a five-year sentence at the Nexus Treatment Center after pleading guilty to burglary and criminal possession of dangerous drugs. Montana Department of Corrections documents released Thursday say Leaf told his roommate he wanted to drag a program staffer by his hair. Leaf also wrote that he wanted to throw the staffer against the wall and smash his glass into the man's head


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #691761
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I don't get how/why people can't handle that level of success but I'm not there so I can't really say.


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #691762
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I'm not in danger. I am the danger!
http://jonathanturley.org/2013/01/18/msg...olic-cathedral/

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It reads like Breaking Bad meets The Bells of St. Mary’s meets La Cage aux Folles. Monsignor Kevin Wallin was arrested for allegedly dealing crystal meth at Bridgeport’s St. Augustine Cathedral. Also coming out were allegations that Wallin was was a cross-dresser who was having sex in the rectory at Bridgeport’s St. Augustine Cathedral....


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Lilo] #691795
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Originally Posted By: Lilo
I'm not in danger. I am the danger!
http://jonathanturley.org/2013/01/18/msg...olic-cathedral/

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It reads like Breaking Bad meets The Bells of St. Mary’s meets La Cage aux Folles. Monsignor Kevin Wallin was arrested for allegedly dealing crystal meth at Bridgeport’s St. Augustine Cathedral. Also coming out were allegations that Wallin was was a cross-dresser who was having sex in the rectory at Bridgeport’s St. Augustine Cathedral....


The fabulous monsignor resigned in 2011 to open an adult movie and sex toy shop. Now that's what I call making a career change. And he'd been making half a million dollars a year selling meth. I'm wondering how he qualified for a federal defender.

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Kly, do you find that federal defender's are more or less competent than state defenders?


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #692287
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You would think that people would have figured out by now that some countries don't play around when it comes to certain crimes. I think the sentence is excessive even if the woman is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. But she's grown.

http://news.yahoo.com/indonesia-sentences-uk-woman-death-over-drugs-062215742.html

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BALI, Indonesia (AP) — An Indonesian court sentenced a British grandmother to death on Tuesday for smuggling cocaine worth $2.5 million in her suitcase onto the resort island of Bali — even though prosecutors had sought only a 15-year sentence.
Lindsay June Sandiford, 56, wept when judges handed down the sentence and declined to speak to reporters on her way back to prison, covering her face with a floral scarf. She had claimed in court that she was forced to take the drugs into the country by a gang that was threatening to hurt her children.


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Kudos to Indonesia. That's what being serious on the war on drugs looks like. The U.S. should do the same.


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Can you escape your past or does it always follow you. Should you lose your job because of how other people may react to you? Do you owe your employer, explicitly or by implication, a guarantee that you won't embarrass them?

I've got it bad, I'm hot for teacher

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OXNARD, Calif. -- A middle-school science teacher fired after students learned she had appeared in pornographic movies had hoped not just to get her job back, but to set a precedent for people looking to escape an embarrassing personal history.

A three-judge commission put a decisive stop to both, saying firmly and unanimously that Stacie Halas should not be in the classroom.

"We were hoping we could show you could overcome your past," Halas lawyer Richard Schwab said Tuesday. "I think she's representative of a lot of people who may have a past that may not involve anything illegal or anything that hurts anybody."

Judge Julie Cabos-Owen said such a past matters in an age when technology makes porn easy to access and hard to bury.

"Although her pornography career has concluded, the ongoing availability of her pornographic materials on the Internet will continue to impede her from being an effective teacher and respected colleague," Cabos-Owen said in the 46-page decision issued Friday by the Commission on Professional Competence.


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Originally Posted By: RichieAnimal
Years ago I was in criminal court for something. There were people outside trying to get signatures to end the death penalty. I signed one then I told the women why I signed it. The reason was it could give the guys more chance off killing the guards.


Hahahahahaha!!

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Originally Posted By: olivant
Kly, do you find that federal defender's are more or less competent than state defenders?


The federal defenders are more consistent, and that's due primarily to jurisdiction and pay scale. The defenders for the state are often broken down and funded by counties. Some counties do not have full time defenders, but may contract with private attorneys for representation.

There are generally fewer criminal trials in federal court because of the nature of the crimes. There are fewer questions of fact involved. As a result you may find more skilled litigators in some of the state offices. There are many public defenders in some parts of the country, who are better trial lawyers than their private counterparts.

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Originally Posted By: Lilo
Can you escape your past or does it always follow you. Should you lose your job because of how other people may react to you? Do you owe your employer, explicitly or by implication, a guarantee that you won't embarrass them?

I've got it bad, I'm hot for teacher



While I sympathize with the teacher, I have to agree with the resoning of the school board. In this case her past is too big an albatross around her neck, and will likely compromise her ability to teach. This will be too much of an ongoing distraction.

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I agree Kly. In addition, middle-school boys are on the verge of sexual maturity, but do not have the social or mental maturity to properly integrate the teacher's past behavior into their appraisal of her. Upon entering high school, that environment will do nothing to facilitate that integration.


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Yes. There's no way that I see that she can maintain the respect of her peers and students with the visual evidence so readily available.


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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