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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #672027
10/25/12 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Sounds like a crazy day up north.

You said it. Time for some Florida therapy smile.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: pizzaboy] #672307
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Sounds like a crazy day up north.

You said it. Time for some Florida therapy smile.


Florida? Ya gotta be kidding. Florida is the craziest plc of 'em all. smile


You gonna finish that?
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #672583
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I agree! I see weird s*it on the news when I'm down there that you just don't see anywhere else! There was a story on the news one night about a guy from NJ who owned a vacation home in Miami. He flew down to check on it and there were drug- and gun-dealing squatters in his home. The best part was that the gun/drug dealers had a pet pig, and I'm not talking about a little miniature pig, but a huge sow. The news footage kept showing the pig running around the guy's house and yard.

Don't worry about the cocaine and those illegal AK47s, check out the pig!


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Sicilian Babe] #672762
10/28/12 08:56 PM
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Seriously every police officer needs yearly mental checkups

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/26/nyregi....html?_r=1&

Wow

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Big Alex] #673398
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Originally Posted By: Big Alex
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Sounds like a crazy day up north.

You said it. Time for some Florida therapy smile.


Florida? Ya gotta be kidding. Florida is the craziest plc of 'em all. smile

Absolutely. Just pick up a Carl Hiaasen or a Dave Barry column. You can't make that stuff up. It practically writes itself!

But where we are (Southern Palm Beach County) is mostly New York transplants. The weird stuff doesn't happen as much as in other parts of the state.

Hey, you wanna play golf in February there has to be a tradeoff lol.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #674351
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Michigan has no death penalty. But this fellow never should have been walking the streets.


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
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Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Lilo] #674389
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Originally Posted By: Lilo
Michigan has no death penalty. But this fellow never should have been walking the streets.

That's why I support the death penalty in extreme cases, Lilo. And that's as extreme as it gets.

And it's not that I support it as a deterrent. You can't deter someone with no soul. I support it in such a case as a matter of justice. And the only justice would be to give a scumbag like that a hot shot on live television.

I'm reminded of this nanny on the Upper West Side that just killed two of the children in her care. 2 years old and 6 years old. I'm sure the story had to go national. Anyway, how do you speak for these two beautiful kids who have no say if you don't kill this animal?

But this is New York and ultimately someone will talk about what a rough childhood she had in the Dominican Republic. But that's bullshit. I've been a Democrat all my life, but there's such a thing as being too liberal.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #674436
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Did anyone else catch the story of the inmate, who suffered a heart attack. Thinking he had only minutes to live, he confessed to a corrections oficer about a murder he committed in 1995 that was never solved. He miraculously recovered, and is now charged with first degree murder although he is now denying that he committed the offense.

Sometimes God just screws with you.

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: klydon1] #674437
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Originally Posted By: klydon1
Did anyone else catch the story of the inmate, who suffered a heart attack. Thinking he had only minutes to live, he confessed to a corrections oficer about a murder he committed in 1995 that was never solved. He miraculously recovered, and is now charged with first degree murder although he is now denying that he committed the offense.

Sometimes God just screws with you.



OMG! I didn't see that story but I can imagine that guy is kicking himself now. lol That's amazing.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: pizzaboy] #674458
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Lilo
Michigan has no death penalty. But this fellow never should have been walking the streets.

That's why I support the death penalty in extreme cases, Lilo. And that's as extreme as it gets.

And it's not that I support it as a deterrent. You can't deter someone with no soul. I support it in such a case as a matter of justice. And the only justice would be to give a scumbag like that a hot shot on live television.

I'm reminded of this nanny on the Upper West Side that just killed two of the children in her care. 2 years old and 6 years old. I'm sure the story had to go national. Anyway, how do you speak for these two beautiful kids who have no say if you don't kill this animal?

But this is New York and ultimately someone will talk about what a rough childhood she had in the Dominican Republic. But that's bullshit. I've been a Democrat all my life, but there's such a thing as being too liberal.


We saw that story (the nanny) out here. Nasty stuff. mad


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #674533
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"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #674546
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Very good news, Lilo.

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Yes it is. I'm not often out that way but a few relatives are so it's good that the authorities may have found the alleged criminal.


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #679805
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Man shoots unarmed teen in Florida...again.
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"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: pizzaboy] #679819
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Lilo
Michigan has no death penalty. But this fellow never should have been walking the streets.

That's why I support the death penalty in extreme cases, Lilo. And that's as extreme as it gets.

And it's not that I support it as a deterrent. You can't deter someone with no soul. I support it in such a case as a matter of justice. And the only justice would be to give a scumbag like that a hot shot on live television.

I'm reminded of this nanny on the Upper West Side that just killed two of the children in her care. 2 years old and 6 years old. I'm sure the story had to go national. Anyway, how do you speak for these two beautiful kids who have no say if you don't kill this animal?

But this is New York and ultimately someone will talk about what a rough childhood she had in the Dominican Republic. But that's bullshit. I've been a Democrat all my life, but there's such a thing as being too liberal.


amen at the last sentence. aside from the death penalty and abortion, my views are very liberal.

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #680158
12/01/12 04:22 PM
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Kly, would you comment on destruction of evidence? In Texas, destruction of evidence routinely takes place in at least misdemeanor cases after the case is adjudicated? A defendant can waive destruction, I guess, for appeal purposes.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #680185
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Originally Posted By: olivant
Kly, would you comment on destruction of evidence? In Texas, destruction of evidence routinely takes place in at least misdemeanor cases after the case is adjudicated? A defendant can waive destruction, I guess, for appeal purposes.


If a defendant pleads guilty, his appellate rights are essentially limited to the discretionary aspects of sentencing. Accordingly it usually makes sense to destroy evidence, which is most often drugs. If there's a conviction after a trial, the prosecutor may not want destruction in the event that the matter is remanded.

Blood cases and rape cases involve felonies that carry longer sentences if the defendant is convicted. Those items are not destroyed as long as the defendant is still serving a sentence, either in jail or on parole.

In any case in PA the prosecutor needs a court order for destruction of evidence, which is usually requested on the record after sentencing following a guilty plea.

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #681766
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Deathrow Inmate so Obese, he'll take days to be Executed

Quote:
COLUMBUS, Ohio — At about 450 pounds, Ohio death row inmate Ronald Post is so fat that his executioners won't be able to find veins in his arms or legs for the lethal injection, and he might even break the death chamber gurney, his lawyers say.

If the state is forced to use a backup method that involves injecting the drugs directly into muscle, the process could require multiple doses over several hours or even days and result in a grueling and painful end, they say.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/06/ronald-post-obese-death-row-inmate-ohio_n_2249645.html

Why don't they just overfeed him?


Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #681947
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SCOTUS is taking on the Constitutionality of Prop 8 and DOMA, specifically Section 3.

Flash back relevant to today's news?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/05/politics/politicsspecial1/05roberts.html

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #682623
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Is this the right thing to say after your Court decided to hear two cases regarding gay marriage?

Scalia: "If we can't have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we against murder?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10..._n_2274413.html

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #682640
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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Is this the right thing to say after your Court decided to hear two cases regarding gay marriage?

Scalia: "If we can't have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we against murder?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10..._n_2274413.html



I'm just hearing this story this morning. Yea, it does seem a bit odd. I mean, doesn't it already indicate which way Scalia will go on the matter? confused


TIS


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This stories messed up. This junky kid kills his mom in their house then waits a years to kill the dad who moved out.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/quee...ticle-1.1217356

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Just tuning in to a shooting at an Oregon Mall. Is there any info as to why or who. I see one person is dead. frown





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"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #682795
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A headline-making murder case went down four years ago when a local stockbroker allegedly bludgeoned his ex-wife to death with a golf club to avoid alimony. He's been in the can for four years (last two in solitary) because of legal maneuvers. Some of the maneuvers have been because of prosecutorial and county sheriff mistakes. The attached story shows the latest screw-up that might result in charges being dismissed:

http://prescottdailycourier.com/main.asp...amp;TM=73373.57


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #682805
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Just tuning in to a shooting at an Oregon Mall. Is there any info as to why or who. I see one person is dead. frown


It was in Portland, TIS, and they are reporting the gunman and two more dead.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #683050
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Speaking of shootings, my school (Cal State Fullerton) was put on lock down last night after suspects in a jewelry store shooting in Moreno Valley led police on a high speed pursuit right to my school. They caught three of the suspects, but at least one of them escaped onto campus, and the campus was on lockdown from about 4 p.m. until at least 11 p.m. last night. Luckily, I was running late for school and missed all the excitement.

Could you imagine being trapped in a classroom for 7 hours, not even being able to go to the bathroom? The students on campus were reporting that those that needed to use the restroom had to use a trash can.

Moral of this story: sometimes procrastination pays off...doubly so for me, in this case.


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Originally Posted By: XDCX
Speaking of shootings, my school (Cal State Fullerton) was put on lock down last night after suspects in a jewelry store shooting in Moreno Valley led police on a high speed pursuit right to my school. They caught three of the suspects, but at least one of them escaped onto campus, and the campus was on lockdown from about 4 p.m. until at least 11 p.m. last night. Luckily, I was running late for school and missed all the excitement.

Could you imagine being trapped in a classroom for 7 hours, not even being able to go to the bathroom? The students on campus were reporting that those that needed to use the restroom had to use a trash can.

Moral of this story: sometimes procrastination pays off...doubly so for me, in this case.


X,

I saw that story and thought the same thing. I don't know all the details but saw the short news clip today on the news. Those poor people trapped in the classroom. I use to live in Moreno Valley and the perps traveled quite far before they were caught. uhwhat

I am glad you are safe.

TIS


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The Newton, CT school shooting discussion, formerly discussed in this thread, has been moved to its own thread in the General Forum.


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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Is this the right thing to say after your Court decided to hear two cases regarding gay marriage?

Scalia: "If we can't have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we against murder?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10..._n_2274413.html



I'm just hearing this story this morning. Yea, it does seem a bit odd. I mean, doesn't it already indicate which way Scalia will go on the matter? confused


TIS


Professor Turley went after him again.

http://jonathanturley.org/2012/12/11/sam...-to-bestiality/


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Scalia is th eprime example of what rightwingers criticize about judges - they base their judicial opinions on their personal opinions. He is the poster child for substantive due process.


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