Obviously, he was a man ahead of his time.



HOW DID JEFFERSON KNOW?





When we get piled
upon one another in large cities, as in Europe,
we shall become as corrupt as Europe .
Thomas Jefferson


The democracy will cease to exist
when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson


It is incumbent on every
generation to pay its own debts as it goes.
A principle which if acted on would save
one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson


I predict future happiness for
Americans if they can prevent the government
from wasting the labors of the people under the
pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson


My reading of history convinces me
that most bad government results from too much
government.
Thomas Jefferson


No free man shall ever be debarred
the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson


The strongest reason for the
people to retain the right to keep and bear arms
is, as a last resort, to protect themselves
against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson


The tree of liberty must be
refreshed from time to time with the blood of
patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson


To compel a man to subsidize with
his taxes the propagation of ideas which he
disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson


Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
'I believe that
banking institutions are more dangerous to
our liberties than standing armies.
If the American people ever allow
private banks to control the issue of their
currency, first by inflation, then by
deflation, the banks and corporations that will
grow up around the banks will deprive the people
of all property - until their children
wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers
conquered.'

He also believed in an agrarian society.

Thomas Jefferson had an almost pathological distrust of the urban masses which he disdained because he perceived them as itinerate, unproductive, illiterate, uneducated, and highly manipulable. He thought that control of government should repose with those who were close to the soil, the rural people. So, his words quoted above are not unexpected.

As a southerner, it's not surprising that he disdained banks. He saw them as instruments of wealthy northerners. That's why he opposed a National bank. He figured that it would be used to advance the interests of business et al in northern states.

In addition, his personal indebtedness compelled his heirs to sell off most of his property including Monticello. Again, his admonishments regarding debt have their roots in his personal financial obligations.

He also believed the Gospels were mostly nonsense, and he re-wrote them removing what he thought was untrue.

Hahaha

Yah alot of these predictions are a little generic to impress me in anyway.

Now now don't beat up on fathersson, its not like he finds much good nuggets from the spam files.

Back in 1962, President Kennedy hosted a dinner for every living American Nobel Prize winner. The cream of the arts and sciences was there. Kennedy remarked (about the guests): "I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered together at the White House, with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone".

Didn't Jefferson have a few slaves?

Well, he was so much ahead of his time that even Texas hasn't caught up with him yet. Wasn't it Texas that wanted to remove him from the school text books?

Yeah, and one of them was his mistress.

I cant' begin to tell you how good it is to have you back, SC. Even if it's just for a fleeting moment. We could all use a break from this place now and then, I guess. It helps keep the anger in check .

But seriously, you were really missed, and it's GREAT to see you back here .

Sorry for hijacking the thread, so I'll throw in my two cents. Jefferson was a racist piece of crap, so his "predictions" mean little to me.

I'll second that.

I'll third that. I miss you!!!



TIS

To be exact, they wanted to downplay his "role" as an influential revolutionary in the 18th century. Which is like naming famous boat sinkings without purposely mentioning that one which drowned Leonardo DiCaprio.

All I suppose because of his professed ideal of seperation of church and state, which one must admit Afs, especially you can attest that perhaps Tom was onto something after all.

Olivant: I -- I -- I never know no SC.I got my own screenname PB.

PB: Mr. olivant you are contradicting a sworn statement that you previously made to me and signed. I ask you again sir -- you are now under oath -- were you at any time a member of a Board -- headed by SC.

Olivant: I don't know nothin' about that.. Oh -- I was a Board member with some people but that was a long time ago.

PB: We have a sworn affidavit -- we have it -- your sworn affidavit that you posted at the invitation of SC. Do you deny that confession, and do you realize what will happen as a result of your denial.

Olivant: God, where is Aide when I need her?

Exactly, that was what I meant. These right-wing nuggets of wisdom that we all get, spam or otherwise is just so self-serving.

Here in particular, it fails to mention the most important ideal he had, well at least to me, the separation of the church and state, Iran's situation case in point. How did he really know indeed? And then the same people who send these, hate his guts for that one particular issue! Well, not all the right-wingers granted, but still! It is just ironic.

You been out in the Texas sun without a hat again, Oli?

oli got funny in the past few months (even if he REALLY believes that Adrianna is still alive).

But he's still a couple eggs short of a dozen .

That's a Texas dozen because the eggs are bigger than the chicken.

Aah yes, everything is bigger in Texas, right?

Freud would've had a ball with that slogan .

But I can't knock Texas, as much as some Texans piss me off. I worked for a large company for over 20 years, whose headquarters was in Houston. I was down in that area maybe a dozen times over the years, and the people were almost too friendly (hey, I'm a jaded New Yorker). Great bars and restaurants. Lotsa noise and lotsa fun.

And I gotta say, even though Texas is geographically in the south, the people are very atypical of southerners (kinda like urban Florida).

That said pizzaboy, Texans should be barred by law from becoming President. They can't help but man wreckless, adventurous budgets and wars that left many many many years of clean-up to fix. Some which are still there we're dealing with.

No argument there, son.

And I'll go you one better: Anyone with a southern drawl should be precluded from the Presidency. Except Tennesseans, by way of Pembroke Pines .

The Saul of the BB is back!

Amen!

Except Bill Clinton.

Typical southern politicians.

Olivant - What's your connection to this Pizzaboy -- S.C. lovefest?
DT - Connection? What connection?
Olivant - What is it you do on these boards?
DT - I am a button.
Olivant - Could you please elaborate?
DT - You know, someone tells you to push a button on someone and you push a button.
Olivant - So you pushed these buttons on the direct orders of PB?
DT- No he never gave me no order.
Olivant - So does PB have buffers?
DT - Yeah buffas . PB has lotsa buffas.

God only knows what kind of life PB leads. But I think he could take shots for the buffas.

It may work on J Geoff, but brownnosing won't for me.

Besides southern Oval Office attendees haven't been complete screwjobs like fuckin' Texas. If one counted Kentucky as the South, it gave us perhaps our greatest President, at the least the most rhetorically stirring giving the world the best argument for Democracy and America since Jefferson.

Anyway, racist and expanding the spoil system into an art, Andrew Jackson by his mere sincere threat kept South Carolina from going thru on their succession threat and possibly starting the American Civil War a few decades early.

I mean this was the same guy who once a would-be assassin ran up to him and pulled two revolvers (!) and pulled the trigger, both guns misfired, and bystanders had to pull the aggitated President away for he and his cane was promptly beating the fucking shit out of this shooter. This might be why John C. Calhoun didn't call Andy's bluff, because I'm certain Jackson would have put his old uniform back on, raise an army, march down there, and lynch Calhoun personally.

Later another racist redneck President in Woodrow Wilson who made the slight mistake of endorsing BIRTH OF A NATION as "history written in lightning". Other than that, he was responsible for the Federal Reserve system, signed stronger anti-trust legislation, and even if his own country didn't join it (partly by his own fault), the League of Nations was a noble good idea. Even if I think his naive idealism on Nationalism and such Determination in foreign policy harmed more than helped if you ask me.

LBJ can be blamed alot of guns 'n' butter nonsense (escalating Vietnam wrecklessly, blowing up the budget) but he was the President who got the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed. Ironically he used the martyrdom of JFK, a President who did everything possible to not have to deal with the Civil Rights issue only when forced by circumstances out of his control. Think now with Obama and the Gays. Also I must say, PBS was a good idea too. Without PBS and Viewers Like You, where would we Americans have discovered foreign TV imports like MONTY PYTHON and DOCTOR WHO?

Not much to say about Jimmy Carter, but he can forever pimp about his Camp David Accords. What subsequent American Presidency have made that much success in making peace in that region of the world?

As for Clinton, transparent crook he was he did shame the GOP by overseeing the first balanced Federal budget in decades and signed the wonderful Presidential Line-Item Veto, which unfortunately the Supreme Court aborted. He did though fuck-up on Health Care and other shameful failures like Rwanda, he and Europe ignoring Kosovo for too long, DOMA, DADT, and (if reports are to be believed) not giving the go-ahead to assassinate Bin Laden when there was a clear chance.

Also he got blown by a fat ugly chick.