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Who called Sonny? #573533
05/11/10 12:48 AM
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Vincent_Mancini_Corleone Offline OP
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Hey Guys,

Did Connie call Sonny or someone else? I always wondered. Connie loved Carlo dearly and covered for him the first time Sonny saw her bruises.


Re: Who called Sonny? [Re: Vincent_Mancini_Corleone] #573536
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???

Connie called her mother, who could not understand what she was saying and passed the phone to Sonny.


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Who called Sonny? [Re: Lilo] #573545
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This is a more interesting question than it appears to be. Connie did cover up for Carlo, and she even was furious at Michael for killing him. So the question is "Why?"


Michael tells Carlo that he knows he set Sonny up for the assassination on Barzini's behalf, but how did they plan it?

Connie got slapped around all the time, but this time she decided to call "home" to announce that Carlo was at it again.
Since she called her mother, who believed in "don't interfere" when it comes to husband and wife disputes, who happened to have a screaming baby in her arms, and happened to give the phone to Sonny.

Had Mama handled it she probably would have sent a car to pick Connie up and bring her to the mall, but when Sonny took the phone he ran out of the house to drive into the city without guards.

How did Barzini figure out this would happen? How was it he had shooters stationed at the toll booth? Just in case?


"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"

"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."

"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."

Re: Who called Sonny? [Re: dontomasso] #573546
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Barzini would of had to have just taken Carlo on his word. A stupid thing to do, But it worked.

As for Connie calling the compound, everyone has a breaking point. She would have been filled with rage and thought "fuck this son of a bitch" Sonny's gonna give him another beating.


The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters. Cus D'Amato
Re: Who called Sonny? [Re: whisper] #573559
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Where else was Connie gonna turn? She wanted solace, sympathy, etc. like any of us would. As far as Barzini goes, he lost nothing by trying evenif the hit never materialized. Connie's blow-up at Michael was because she was thinking of herself and projecting a life without a husband et al.


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Re: Who called Sonny? [Re: olivant] #573565
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Originally Posted By: olivant
Where else was Connie gonna turn? She wanted solace, sympathy, etc. like any of us would. As far as Barzini goes, he lost nothing by trying evenif the hit never materialized. Connie's blow-up at Michael was because she was thinking of herself and projecting a life without a husband et al.


Yeah, but then she got Merle.


"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"

"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."

"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."

Re: Who called Sonny? [Re: dontomasso] #573593
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Originally Posted By: dontomasso
This is a more interesting question than it appears to be. ........

How did Barzini figure out this would happen? How was it he had shooters stationed at the toll booth? Just in case?


Not so much interesting in the who made the call but from a perspective of "the war". Barzini may have had numerous plans for getting Sonny and Sonny was cautious when his temper wasn't provoked. When he "visits" Lucy he has a small army with him. As he leaves the building he looks up and down the street keeping an eye out for trouble. Barzini likely had several plans; we don't know about the failed ones. He knew Sonny had a weakness and he exploited it. Sonny threw caution to the wind and paid for it.


Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, whoever humbles himself will be exalted - Matthew 23:12
Re: Who called Sonny? [Re: MaryCas] #573599
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I am not familiar with the area but was the route Sonny took the most logical route?


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Who called Sonny? [Re: Lilo] #573600
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Originally Posted By: Lilo
I am not familiar with the area but was the route Sonny took the most logical route?


As the novel states, it was the route he always used when he went into the city.


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Re: Who called Sonny? [Re: olivant] #573611
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It is a sad but true fact that many abused women will reach out for help, sympathy or even rescue, then try to make excuses for, or go back to, the abusive husbands. I thought that part of it was realistic.


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E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Who called Sonny? [Re: Turnbull] #573667
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
It is a sad but true fact that many abused women will reach out for help, sympathy or even rescue, then try to make excuses for, or go back to, the abusive husbands. I thought that part of it was realistic.


Despite objections from some Board members about commingling the film with the novel, this is a topic our understanding of which is assisted by recourse to the novel.

As the novel states, Connie told her parents about Carlo hitting her the first time. Their reaction: "She had found her parents cooly unsympathetic and curiously amused."


"Generosity. That was my first mistake."
"Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us."
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