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Re: In Defense of an Unrecognized Classic: I <3 GF3 [Re: DE NIRO] #703940
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Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
The silent scream n GF3 gets me every time. The last five minutes of the film is a perfect ending to the trilogy.



The silent scream is one of the most profound scenes in cinematic history. It subsumes all the pathos of human tragedy, of the paths taken and not taken, and the subordination of morality. For the Trilogy fan, it seemed almost inevitable.


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Re: In Defense of an Unrecognized Classic: I <3 GF3 [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica] #703959
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The scene where Mary goes NO is one of the worst acted scenes i have ever seen.

Re: In Defense of an Unrecognized Classic: I <3 GF3 [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica] #703976
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Is that where she runs of sulking as Michael told her to end her relationship with Vincent.. That was pretty bad.

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Re: In Defense of an Unrecognized Classic: I <3 GF3 [Re: DE NIRO] #704019
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With all the revelations about the corruption of the Roman Catholic Curia and the Vatican Bank going on these days, the plotline of GFIII is especially salient and prescient. I have ragged on this film as much as anyone, but the performances by Andy Garcia, and the guy who played the Archbishop are really very good.

The silent scream, the soliloquy at Dontomassino's coffin, the transfer of power, the scene with Andy Garcia and Bridgette Fonda in his apartment and a few others are excellent.

I am going to take a vacation from complaining about Sofia Coppola. She has turned out to be a first rate director in her own right. She was thrown into the Mary role by her father when Wynona Ryder who was supposed to play the role got sick and couldn't do it. What was Sofia supposed to do?


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Re: In Defense of an Unrecognized Classic: I <3 GF3 [Re: DE NIRO] #704112
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Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
Is that where she runs of sulking as Michael told her to her her relationship with Vincent.. That was pretty bad.


It was horrible, and you would think that since her father said no is such a badass way she would do it to.

One think the reason i really dont like part 3 is because in part 1 and part 2 you see Michael become a colder and colder gangster reaching its highest point at the end of part 2 when he kills his brother. When i first went into part 3 i was hoping to see a continuation of his evil that would bring his final downfall , Instead we got a Michael that wanted forgiveness and out of the gangster life. That is not what i was expecting and not WHAT I WANTED!

Re: In Defense of an Unrecognized Classic: I <3 GF3 [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica] #704119
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I'm sure Coppola could edit Part III into a much better movie, leaving out the love scenes between Vincent and Mary. Ofcourse Sofia Coppola cannot be blamed for her 'dramatic' performance. And yes, she is a skillful director.


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Re: In Defense of an Unrecognized Classic: I <3 GF3 [Re: Hisenberg] #704127
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Originally Posted By: Hisenberg

When i first went into part 3 i was hoping to see a continuation of his evil that would bring his final downfall , Instead we got a Michael that wanted forgiveness and out of the gangster life. That is not what i was expecting and not WHAT I WANTED!

Personally, this is the part I liked best. I liked the idea of Michael trying to get out and redeem himself in the end, kind of like Darth Vader.

Re: In Defense of an Unrecognized Classic: I <3 GF3 [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica] #704179
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Coppola Should have just paid Duvall the amount he deserved instead of just writing out his character. It would have been better if they had Tom Hagen.

Also i think if they had flashbacks like Godfather 2 of Vito in the 30s (Which i think they were going to do in part 4) it would have been better because we would get to see more of the corleone crime business then in the final version

Re: In Defense of an Unrecognized Classic: I <3 GF3 [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica] #704215
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It wouldn't seem right seeing a young Vito without De Niro, this is why i wouldn't want flashbacks if they made a GF4. In fact i not sure i want a GF4 anymore.


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Re: In Defense of an Unrecognized Classic: I <3 GF3 [Re: DE NIRO] #704216
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Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
It wouldn't seem right seeing a young Vito without De Niro, this is why i wouldn't want flashbacks if they made a GF4. In fact i not sure i want a GF4 anymore.


If de niro packed on some weight, altered his speech a little and had a good amount of makeup/ special effects i think he could make an amazing Vito in the 30s. Special effects have gotten to a point where you can make anyone look like anything.

Re: In Defense of an Unrecognized Classic: I <3 GF3 [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica] #704218
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Im not so sure, he's approaching 70, i'm not so sure he would want to do it in anycase..


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It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

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"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

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Re: In Defense of an Unrecognized Classic: I <3 GF3 [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica] #704337
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Michael already had reached the nadir of heartlessness in GFII.

The final scene is very touching, with a flashback to when everything was different/better. It's a great contrast between a young, idealistic Michael surrounded by family and a lonely, cruel Michael in Nevada.

This sets the stage for the regretful Michael of GFIII. Having him be MORE evil would have been sensationalistic and boring.

The only thing that bothered me a little about Michael's character when I first saw GFIII was his playfulness, which I didn't feel was ever shown, even in the beginning of the Trilogy. This part of Michael's character was later revealed in the deleted scenes with Kay in the hotel.


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