Did you read the latest news about this guy Hasan? He is a total al-qeada supporter. They should wait until he gets better, and then torture the SOB.

is this 100% official or media speculation?

Whether or not he's proven to be a card-carrying member of Al Queida, his murderous rampage was an act of terrorism--fully in synch with, and motivated by, the goals of Al Queida and other Islamic terrorist organizations: to destroy American lives.

I take it you read this from the New York Post.

So far there is no indication that he has any ties to any terror network.

Just someone who went gun-happy psycho like a post office worker (with the ethnic/religious stuff a red herring) or he acted as a psycho terrorist on his own dime and time.

I think its the latter.



Yes, just like the Viet Cong, Nazis, Soviets, North Koreans all did to our guys.

We're a civilized government, or would like to think we are compared to those regimes.

EDIT - Baiting for Mr. Capo, Baiting for Mr. Capo, please come to the front desk...

Now TB, of all Board members, you are the one I credit with the most caution when posting. The only info we have available comes to us through the media filter. We ought to wait for more definitive information.

I agree with you Turnball. The total left are trying to say this guy was sick, which I think is bull shit. The guy was a damn doctor for crying out loud. Do you know how smart you gotta be to get your doctoral degree? So, this punk is not loco in the head, he is a terrorist that had a temper tantrum.

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2...olitical-lenses

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/FtHoodshooting/alleged-fort-hood-shooter-slipped-cracks/story?id=9039742

http://www.rushlimbaughforum.com/hood-killer-terrorist-t3521.html

First of all, he can't be an Arab anything. He was born in the United States, which makes him American. He was Muslim, but he was not Arab. And was he a Muslim extremist? Only time will tell.

Also, what makes you think that, just because he was smart, he wasn't "sick"? And he had a medical degree, he didn't have a doctorate, to my knowledge, although it's not out of the question that he might have had both. And he had a TEMPER TANTRUM??? He slaughtered innocent people because he was having a BAD DAY??

Oh, and please, Rush Limbaugh cited as a source?? Really??

He is an Islamic terrorist just like McVeigh was a Christian terrorist, and he will meet the same fate.

So you're saying that a doctor can't go.....nuts? BTW, are you able to make Dr. Hannibal Lecter's appointment next week? He's so anxious to have lunch with you.

The right is spinning this as a Al Qaeda sleeper agent, that all Muslims in the military want to blow everyone up* and can't be trusted at all. The left is spinning that this is everything but a religious nutjob this side of those abortion shooters/bombers.

I have no ideological investment.

*=A recent result of that paranoia: A guy in full garb and didn't speak English got the shit beaten out of him by a soldier over in Illinois because the soldier thought the foreigner was a terrorist.

He was revealed to be a Greek Orthodox priest who was lost.

More likely he's so anxious to have you for lunch.

Ralph Peters wrote this for the Post the other day (seeing as Ronnie mentioned the Post). Now the Post is normally a righty, apologist tabloid, but I have to admit, I enjoyed this article and thought it mad a lot of sense.

Fort Hood's 9/11

On Thursday afternoon, a radicalized Muslim US Army officer shouting "Allahu Akbar!" committed the worst act of terror on American soil since 9/11. And no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam.

What cowards we are. Political correctness killed those patriotic Americans at Ft. Hood as surely as the Islamist gunman did. And the media treat it like a case of non-denominational shoplifting.

This was a terrorist act. When an extremist plans and executes a murderous plot against our unarmed soldiers to protest our efforts to counter Islamist fanatics, it’s an act of terror. Period.

When the terrorist posts anti-American hate-speech on the Web; apparently praises suicide bombers and uses his own name; loudly criticizes US policies; argues (as a psychiatrist, no less) with his military patients over the worth of their sacrifices; refuses, in the name of Islam, to be photographed with female colleagues; lists his nationality as "Palestinian" in a Muslim spouse-matching program, and parades around central Texas in a fundamentalist playsuit — well, it only seems fair to call this terrorist an "Islamist terrorist."

But the president won’t. Despite his promise to get to all the facts. Because there’s no such thing as "Islamist terrorism" in ObamaWorld.

And the Army won’t. Because its senior leaders are so sick with political correctness that pandering to America-haters is safer than calling terrorism "terrorism."

And the media won’t. Because they have more interest in the shooter than in our troops — despite their crocodile tears.

Maj. Nadal Malik Hasan planned this terrorist attack and executed it in cold blood. The resulting massacre was the first tragedy. The second was that he wasn’t killed on the spot.

Hasan survived. Now the rest of us will have to foot his massive medical bills. Activist lawyers will get involved, claiming "harassment" drove him temporarily insane. There’ll be no end of trial delays. At best, taxpayer dollars will fund his prison lifestyle for decades to come, since our politically correct Army leadership wouldn’t dare pursue or carry out the death penalty.

Maj. Hasan will be a hero to Islamist terrorists abroad and their sympathizers here. While US Muslim organizations decry his acts publicly, Hasan will be praised privately. And he’ll have the last laugh.

But Hasan isn’t the sole guilty party. The US Army’s unforgivable political correctness is also to blame for the casualties at Ft. Hood.

Given the myriad warning signs, it’s appalling that no action was taken against a man apparently known to praise suicide bombers and openly damn US policy. But no officer in his chain of command, either at Walter Reed Army Medical Center or at Ft. Hood, had the guts to take meaningful action against a dysfunctional soldier and an incompetent doctor.

Had Hasan been a Lutheran or a Methodist, he would’ve been gone with the simoon. But officers fear charges of discrimination when faced with misconduct among protected minorities.

Now 12 soldiers and a security guard lie dead. 31 soldiers were wounded, 28 of them seriously. If heads don’t roll in this maggot’s chain of command, the Army will have shamed itself beyond moral redemption.

There’s another important issue, too. How could the Army allow an obviously incompetent and dysfunctional psychiatrist to treat our troubled soldiers returning from war? An Islamist whacko is counseled for arguing with veterans who’ve been assigned to his care? And he’s not removed from duty? What planet does the Army live on?

For the first time since I joined the Army in 1976, I’m ashamed of its dereliction of duty. The chain of command protected a budding terrorist who was waving one red flag after another. Because it was safer for careers than doing something about him.

Get ready for the apologias. We’ve already heard from the terrorist’s family that "he’s a good American." In their world, maybe he is.

But when do we, the American public, knock off the PC nonsense?

A disgruntled Muslim soldier murdered his officers way back in 2003, in Kuwait, on the eve of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Recently? An American mullah shoots it out with the feds in Detroit. A Muslim fanatic attacks an Arkansas recruiting station. A Muslim media owner, after playing the peace card, beheads his wife. A Muslim father runs over his daughter because she’s becoming too Westernized.

Muslim terrorist wannabes are busted again and again. And we’re assured that "Islam’s a religion of peace."

I guarantee you that the Obama administration’s non-response to the Ft. Hood attack will mock the memory of our dead.

I appreciate your post, Olivant.

Hasan worshipped with a pro-Queida imam at a Virginia mosque; corresponded via e-mail with that imam after he moved to Yemen; visited radical Islmaic websites; posted praise for suicide bombers; openly spoke about how the war in Iraq and Afghanistan was a war on Islam; paraded in fundamentalist Islamic garb prior to the attack, and shouted "Allahu akbar!" before shooting. That doesn't leave me with a lot of doubt about his motives.

I agree with that article 100%. IMHO that bastard needs to be shot in the head 13 times.

Why 13?

It was well written and informative. I'm a New York City Democrat, and even I can see that.

14 would be excessive.

Actually, I believe Mig was alluding to the 13 victims of the attack.

I thought the article went overboard in three areas, first the gratuitous reference to "Obamaland" was a cheap shot. Second it presupposed that this terrorist would get a trial in a United States District Court. As an Army Officer he is going to be facing a court martial, where the rules are very different. Casting him as a victim is not going to fly. I believe the penalty remains hanging. Third it is not a surprise that his family would call him a "good American." Its his family for heaven's sake, leave them out of it.

What I do not understand is how so many people missed him for what he was.
While we all have to take our shoes off at airports, here was a guy inside the army e mailing some crazy imam in the middle east, posting all kinds of stuff, and claiming Muslims should not be sent to fight in the Middle East.

BTW according to that "logic" would Catholics and Lutherans have been given
exemptions to fight Italians and Germans in WWII?

That is what I meant.

The bastard is being charged with 13 counts of murder.
Story

Why waste tax payers time and money. Just shoot him in the head 13 times.

Some of the philistinism on display here is absolutely outrageous. The third sentence of the entire thread is fucking heinous. Its author is positively backward.

It's a tragic incident, for sure, and a lot of people are no doubt suffering right now because of it. But that doesn't mean there's a whole lot of frankly vacuous emotionalism, sensationalism and politically and morally repugnant responses to this incident. It's a sociological crisis and it exposes all kinds of logical fallacies and contradictions in people's thinking.

This is no worse than the many extrajudicial killings occurring far more frequently in the Middle East; and I think it's very sad that many will be taken in by the veils of falsity that allow such hypocrisies to happen.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves, you bloodthirsty, arrogant, fiction-loving [BadWord] flaps.

No I'm not ashamed. I'll even say it again. SHOOT THE FUCKING BASTARD IN THE HEAD 13 TIMES!!!!!

Don't sugarcoat it, Mig. Say what's on your mind .

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

I almost responded civilly to this, but thought better of it. I wonder why I'm here at all. (And don't think of some witty AppleOnYa-ism in reply to that.)

Out of moderate ostrich liberalism comes the kind of extreme inhumane backwardness that Mig and others have displayed time and time again on this board. I miss Plawrence.

"...vacuous emotionalism, sensationalism and politically and morally repugnant response..."

When there's a response to this that doesn't fit into that quote, I'll feel surrounded by enough humans to start posting again. Until then, enjoy bathing in your bloodthirsty, arrogant, fiction-loving philistinism.

I agree and love you Mig.........

According to your logic, wouldn't that be a waste of 12 taxpayer financed bullets?

First- You have Black African Muslims, Black American Muslims, Arab Muslims and Arab American Muslims. Hasan sure don't look like a brotha to me.

Second- From what I've read is Hasan did have his double d.

Also, my grandfather once said "you can't be a more prouder American than a Sicilian one," which I agree with. So, It surprises me as a fellow Sicilian that you would have sympathy for this bastard. You're even trying to make excuses for his evil behavior. Also a babe to me is a woman that is not just beautiful on the in, but has a beautiful personality as well.

Hasan had a temper tantrum because he hates Americans, and wanted to kill some and did so. He's an evil piece of crap, not a nice person.

Third- Rush is right!!!!!!!!!!

Babe makes some good points that illustrate why lynch mobs were so prevalent (apparently) in the old west. Hasan was born in Virginia of what we believe at this point to be middle-eastern descent and his family is from Jordan. Now, middle eastern descent subsumes alot of different ethnicities which alot of Americans fail to acknowlege (like the difference between a Napolitan and a Sicilian). His communications with other middle-easterners has not yet been publicized, but only paraphrased. As I posted above, all of our information is coming to us through the filter of the media. I'd rather wait until the evidence against him is made public before I draw any conclusions about motivations.

And a note to Capo: "sociological crises"? Madonne! No, murder. That doesn't seem in doubt at this point.

No it's not a waste of taxpayer money when you are getting rid of a piece of shit terrorist scum. Plus it's a hell of alot cheaper.

Ronnie,

So, you like to watch movies??