The series does take some liberties. The brothers that were killed during the final episode of the first season were in reality killed years later, or at least the ones which they were based upon.

However, Rothstein is probably too well known to take such a liberty.

Well, I doubt that the producers anticipate stretching this series out over another seven years to accomodate historical accuracy. Lansky and Luciano will keep expanding their reach this season and then next season Rothstein gets murdered.

But I'm hoping that Manny gets his because I don't care for that character.

Ha ha ha. Yes Lilo I shouted out at the tv when Van Alden said "I did it for you." What an asshole.

I agree with you on Margaret. She's becoming somewhat bitchy and maybe power hungry. The way she yelled at the sitter about her "inappropriate" behavior with the young suitor was uncalled for, even in those days IMHO.


TIS

I wouldn't be suprised if I were you. And who says Rothstein needs to die in the first place?

He doesn't have to die, i just thought the "Their Time Has Passed" reference to him and Nucky might have meant they were going to move on Rothstein. But as it was pointed out to me he really didn't die until 1928 so i guess he should be around for the forseeable future if they stick close to the real timeline with that particular character.

Both Rothstein and Ade live!

It is of course part of the beauty of art and the fun of the show that the same character can evince such different thoughts from viewers.

It seems as if Margaret Schroeder is just as big of a kept woman as Lucy ever was. The difference is that she convinces herself that she's doing it for the "cheeeeldrunnnn".

IIRC she argued against Nucky giving a raise /bonus to the help and then kept the money herself. She's very unpleasant to the young Katie (is that the maid's name??) out of apparent sexual jealousy. Her cunning retrieval of Nucky's money and records was done more to keep her own ride on the gravy train secure than out of any love/fidelity towards Nucky.

Were I Nucky and a woman I had rescued from drab obscurity ever had the nerve to lecture me about, well ANYTHING, I might just open the door and simply tell her "Nice knowing you. Here's your old life back." I think Nucky likes her because she is smarter and stronger than Lucy but her self-righteousness and hypocrisy is a bit much sometimes.

I think she has the hots for the young Irish guy, which will give Nucky even more headaches.

You could see that comming from miles away up from the first moment he was introduced.

"Boardwalk Empire" continues to be the best-looking show on TV. But, entertaining as it is, it has too many stories running simultaneously, with too little progress in each. Getting difficult to keep track of who's doing what. The most recent episode spent too much time on the unassisted childbirth.

I disagree. The scenes with Lucy getting ready to give birth by herself were excellent! They showed her realizing the predicament in which she was and how she faced it head on.... first by getting herself ready (even if just by grooming herself). It was evident she was proud of herself afterward, and rightly so. I suspect Lucy will remain a major character on the show and this was a new birth for her, as well for her baby.

I kind of agree with TB. The evidence for Lucy's courage could have been demonstrated with less time on screen. Also, TB is right about the multiple storylines. I also don't like Nucky's whining to some people because they won't cooperate with him. And what's going on with Margaret?

I'm sorry to say that I find Lucy the most annoying character in the serie, although her latest scene in which she gave childbirth was quite good. Based on the two latest episodes I have a feeling this serie is progressing in a good direction. Especially the episode when Richard was in the woods had some moments that could have compared itself with some of the Coen's Brothers best scenes. I previously hadn't seen the serie's characters acting as good as in that episode. Maybe it's just me, but I was really stunned.

Ok I really officially HATE Margaret now.
She's feeling bad about her relationship with her siblings so she decides to cheat with Nucky's bodyguard?

I didn't care about Margaret and her siblings. Not one bit. She gets on my nerves. Self-righteous and lugubrious. Not a good combination.

And Jimmy's mother is sleeping with Luciano again? WTF?

It turns out the female prosecutor is actually based on reality

I till like Margaret, but not as mucha s before she had the affair with that guy.

By the way, what did Jimmy say to Nucky right before he was shot, who was the assassin,a nd where did that federal agent come from?

After all the negativity about women in this serie lately (me hating Lucy, Lilo hating Margaret) I feel like sharing some positive remarks.

I really like Jimmy's wife. She's very sympathetic and look's nice also. She also looks to be genuine Italian-American, am I right?

I didn't hear the whole thing but it was something along the lines of "I've learned as a leader it's not why you make the decisions but that you make a decision".

In the meeting before the abortive hit, Capone had offered to arrange a "paisan from Chicago" who would do the hit and get back on the return train.

I thought the planned assassination was pretty bad writing-room full of people, kiss of death by Darmody. I think the federal agent was just someone who had been assigned to shadow Nucky, perhaps in light of new information that Van Alden had provided.

I would guess so from her surname but am not sure.
Interview with Palladino

I remember it was something like "whether you're right or wrong it's time to make a decision".



Jimmy clearly showed that he had trouble with killing his old friend. I think he still kind of liked him too much. So I don't think Jimmy was giving him a kiss of death, he was actually trying to save him by making him look in the direction of where the assassin would come from. This way, he wouldn't lose face by canceling the hit, but still trying to prevent it from succeeding.

Jimmy's quote just showed he is not yet ready to be a leader. He gave in to the demands/wishes of the others despite having his own personal idea on how Nucky should be handled.

Jimmy was basically rationalizing that he followed his mother's advice....be decisive .... if you LOOK strong, you will be strong.

I agree. But let's not forget that he's only 23 or something. Even Luciano was still a punk back then. Jimmy was forced to be in a leadership position when his so called father got a stroke. He surely wasn't ready for it.

I don't think age has anything to do with it... Luciano was 23 at the time, as was Capone. Lansky was only 18, yet all three were more mature in their dealings with others.

LOL Lady on the beach got fined $10 because her skirt was too short.



TIS

Is Nucky really stepping down? That's a surprise. Something's gotta give. Ahhh, but there's a reason. I just haven't figured it out and/or missed it.


TIS

Just remember Arnold Rothstein's advice to Nucky.

God, this show is fucking awesome!!!!

TIS, I'll bet he's going to link up with IRA; that will be his muscle. Owen will be his Luca.

Right. This is the "roll over and play dead while secretly digging your opponent's graves" maneuver perfected by the Corleones. Notice that if Chalky calls a general strike the new regime's ability to make money will be severely curtailed. This is just a move on the chessboard by Nucky. And it's not the surrender that Jimmy thinks it is.

I would be surprised if Jimmy survives the season. It's being setup that he doesn't have the business sense or temperament to lead. And with the exception of Richard, he doesn't seem to exhibit/inspire loyalty that much either.

Speaking of money it looks like Van Alden has fallen off the morality wagon for good-unless this is all a setup. Maybe Bugeyes is playing his own game.

That'll be Nucky's source of money. He's gonna sell the surplus machine guns to the IRA.

I love the name, "Bugeyes" for him.

There's nothing more I'd like to see than Bugeyes getting his just reward ~ getting busted. Everyone is crooked but they owe up to it.... Nelson van Bugeyes won't "admit" to himself being crooked and he preaches against what he, himself is in high holy tones. I see a suicide in his future.

how can owen be nuckys luca? he is a force, but does he really have nucky's back?