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Freud theory in Gangster films #556567
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In Scarface and The godfather there seems to be clear elements of Freuds odipus complex, does anyone think so too?
Re: Freud theory in Gangster films [Re: kyle] #556598
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Originally Posted By: kyle
In Scarface and The godfather there seems to be clear elements of Freuds odipus complex, does anyone think so too?


Freud was nuts.

But to paraphrase him, sometimes a cannoli is just a cannoli tongue lol.

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Re: Freud theory in Gangster films [Re: pizzaboy] #556640
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: kyle
In Scarface and The godfather there seems to be clear elements of Freuds odipus complex, does anyone think so too?


Freud was nuts.

But to paraphrase him, sometimes a cannoli is just a cannoli tongue lol.


I agree.

also, PB, that is a mighty fine signature, where ever did you get it?




He - (Simón Bolívar) - was shaken by the overwhelming revelation that the headlong race between his misfortunes and his dreams was at that moment reaching the finishing line. The rest was darkness. "Damn it," He sighed. "How will I ever get out of this labyrinth!"

So what’s the labyrinth?

That’s the mystery isn’t it? Is the labyrinth living or dying? Which is he trying to escape - the world, or, the end of it?
Re: Freud theory in Gangster films [Re: Santino Brasi] #556645
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I'm not that familiar with Scarface. I do think that Coppolla was trying to present Michael Corleone as a tragic hero in the classical/Shakespearean sense, brought down by his own strengths, but anything Oedipal went over my head.

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I don't see any Oedipal elements in GF, other than Michael tries (and fails) to recreate the same level of trust and control that his father had. Hmm. You could even make an argument that he didn't even try because he learned the wrong lessons and times were different.

In Scarface, the incest thing is there but is it Oedipal since it's not directed at his mother?

"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Freud theory in Gangster films [Re: Lilo] #557431
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Originally Posted By: Lilo

In Scarface, the incest thing is there but is it Oedipal since it's not directed at his mother?


I should hope not. Did you see his mother in that movie? She could scare the paint off a wall.

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Re: Freud theory in Gangster films [Re: pizzaboy] #572070
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I fully agree - there is a tragedy of epic proportions transpiring here. It is very shakespearean and that is why it lives on and holds up over the years - the story, characters, and motivations are timeless.

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