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Conservatives UNITE !!!
#549677
07/21/09 09:04 PM
07/21/09 09:04 PM
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Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 8,224 New Jersey
AppleOnYa
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To all my Conservative friends on the BB (few though they may be...) Please take a minute to sign this petition keeping Government control OUT of healthcare. And then forward to a friend (or two). http://www.freeourhealthcarenow.com/
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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Re: Conservatives UNITE !!!
[Re: Mignon]
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07/21/09 10:24 PM
07/21/09 10:24 PM
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Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 17,300 New York
Sicilian Babe
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I don't know enough about the proposed plan to endorse it or not, but I do know that the current system is messed up. If you lose that excellent insurance, Mig, be prepared to pay about $1400 a month for you, the Colonel and your son.
Since I am an independent contractor at work, I don't get any benefits. Luckily for me, Mr. Babe covers us through his job. However, the other brokers in my office don't have spouses with insurance benefits, and they have to buy their own. Family coverage is approximately $1400 per month. How much do you need to make to afford $17,000 per year for medical benefits. And don't even think about a trip to the dentist. That's not covered!
President Emeritus of the Neal Pulcawer Fan Club
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Re: Conservatives UNITE !!!
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
#549700
07/21/09 11:14 PM
07/21/09 11:14 PM
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Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 19,066 OH, VA, KY
Mignon
Mama Mig
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Mama Mig
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If you lose that excellent insurance, Mig, be prepared to pay about $1400 a month for you, the Colonel and your son. I don't want to pay $1400 a month for medical. I only pay $460 a year now. And like I said before it is excellent insurance.
Dylan Matthew Moran born 10/30/12
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Re: Conservatives UNITE !!!
[Re: Mignon]
#549701
07/21/09 11:47 PM
07/21/09 11:47 PM
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Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 31,285 New Jersey, USA
J Geoff
The Don
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The Don
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I only pay $460 a year now. And like I said before it is excellent insurance. That's definitely subsidized by someone. That's my MONTHLY payment as a single person, and probably the lowest in the state (Horizon/Blue Cross). Problem with socialized medicine is, someone's gotta pay for it, and that someone is us. Either way, you're gonna pay for it (either in taxes or in shit service). I'd rather pay for it in a monthly bill than pay even higher taxes on everything under the sun for something "free". Nothing's free.
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: Conservatives UNITE !!!
[Re: Mignon]
#549711
07/22/09 09:48 AM
07/22/09 09:48 AM
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Sicilian Babe
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Nobody is going to force you to give it up. This plan is to make sure that EVERYONE has insurance. There are MILLIONS of people in the country who don't, either because they've lost their jobs, or their jobs don't provide for it. My friend's husband lost his job, which means that they lost their insurance. Her office provided insurance, but the employees had to pay 2/3 of the premium, which they couldn't afford on her one salary. She ended up having to leave a job that she had had for nine years, and that she loved, to find a job that provided benefits.
Geoff, I agree with the sentiment of what you've said, but the system is broken and it needs to be fixed. The premiums keep going up and up and up, and the insurance companies are seeing record profits in most cases. However, our doctors aren't allowed to tell us what tests we should have, what medication we should be taking, or how long we're allowed to stay in a hospital. The insurance companies are dictating all of it. That's just WRONG.
Mig, how fortunate for you that you have such cheap and excellent benefits, but put yourself in the place of a family of four that has none. And think about what it would cost you to buy it. And then maybe you would see that something needs to be done.
President Emeritus of the Neal Pulcawer Fan Club
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Re: Conservatives UNITE !!!
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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07/22/09 12:24 PM
07/22/09 12:24 PM
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Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 8,766 South of the Pinelands
MaryCas
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I remember hearing a statistic that only 35% of the population has medical insurance. If that number is right, that is sad.
The system does need a major overhaul. Not only are the insurance companies running the doctors, but the pharmaceutical companies are messing with the system too. How many freakin' drugs do we have to take? One to fall asleep, one to wake up, one to get an erection, one to stop depression, one for my bones, one for my hair and of course that damn cholesterol.
Way back in 1970 when I got my job with Ma Bell we had Blue Cross/Blue Shield FOR FREE! My wife had a fibroid tumor (benign) removed from her breast at a top NYC hospital by a reknown surgery. I PAID $0.
Something has changed drastically.
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, whoever humbles himself will be exalted - Matthew 23:12
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Re: Conservatives UNITE !!!
[Re: olivant]
#549735
07/22/09 02:48 PM
07/22/09 02:48 PM
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Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 25,984 California
The Italian Stallionette
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The problem is we don't know enough of the details. Obama needs to be more specific. I suggest anyone who is interested to watch Obama today at 8:00 EST where he'll hopefully be more specific on his plan. That being said, this is what I summize so far: It is my understanding that NOBODY will be forced to change from the plan they have and that all small business with over a certain number of employees must provide insurance; and all children will have to have insurance; Also, that this public option is just that, another option for people to choose. And, that everyone will be insured; not turned away for a pre-existing condition; The issue is how do we pay for it. Although, (even if we come up with a good way to pay for it, I have a feeling that the party of NO would still say NO.) I've heard several theories but Obama has said more than a zillion times that those making under 150,000 (or was it 250,000) a year will NOT be taxed but rather those making over that amount, which amounts to a small percentage (like 2 per cent). Now, in reality WILL "we" end up being taxed? Maybe. I'd be for a small increase in some form if it meant solving this problem. They mentioned taxing soda. I'm ok with that. Or, why not increase entertainment fees to sports arenas, concerts or hunting license fees, or anything that isn't a necessity of life. Just leave the smokers alone, they're paying up the ying yang as it is. TIS
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"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Conservatives UNITE !!!
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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07/22/09 02:58 PM
07/22/09 02:58 PM
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Posts: 25,984 California
The Italian Stallionette
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Let me just add that, my insurance through the school distict is pretty good (Blue Shield). However, when I had two children under my insurance I was paying about 350 per month. When my youngest turned 24 I dropped her and I paid "O" per month and have been ever since. I felt like a got a raise. Before I retired I talked to the benefits office who told me that IF I retire before the next school year, I can retire and still pay nothing for my health benefits until I'm 65 and qualify for medicare. (For some reason I have to pay dental though which is $59. per month) BUT she said if I choose not to retire that beginning next school year I WOULD have to start paying approximately $120. per month. That's like a pay cut to me. Anyway, I am willing to pay to a small degree if it'll help us out of this mess. TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Conservatives UNITE !!!
[Re: svsg]
#549745
07/22/09 04:49 PM
07/22/09 04:49 PM
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fathersson
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Fun how most workers years ago never thought that the medical insurance that their employer gave them was worth much. Often back then the company use to pay the whole shot and it was a perk in a employment package.
If you couldn't spend it, you didn't care that much about it. Now you would give your right arm to still get a company to give you a fully paid medical policy in your pay.
Sorry, but I'm not for given ever do nothing on earth medical insurance that I'm busting my ass to earn each and ever day! You want it, go out and work or take whatever free clinic the government wants to set up for ya! I know it sounds heartless, but I tired of paying the bill for others. I have good insurance because I work hard. I eat well too. Sorry, settle for less if you aren't earning it.
There is nothing wrong with having differnt teirs of services. You want free stuff then set up free clinics for those who need them, but don't take me down to provide for others. If you do nothing, then you get nothing or very little.
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Re: Conservatives UNITE !!!
[Re: fathersson]
#549750
07/22/09 05:53 PM
07/22/09 05:53 PM
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Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 12,543 Gateshead, UK
Capo de La Cosa Nostra
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Sorry, settle for less if you aren't earning it. A legitimate stance if the wage system is fundamentally fair. But it isn't, so fuck you.
...dot com bold typeface rhetoric. You go clickety click and get your head split. 'The hell you look like on a message board Discussing whether or not the Brother is hardcore?
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Re: Conservatives UNITE !!!
[Re: MaryCas]
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07/22/09 06:02 PM
07/22/09 06:02 PM
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Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 12,543 Gateshead, UK
Capo de La Cosa Nostra
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Since this is a "come on and subscribe with me" sort of thread... The system does need a major overhaul. Yes. And it's impossible to restructure one aspect of society in isolation, without considering other things in flux. To quote Joe Kishore at WSWS.org: It is not possible, through the existing political system, to effect a change in government policy. The basic reason is that the political institutions and parties are the unvarnished instruments of class rule. The financial elite exercises absolute control over every aspect of political life.
...dot com bold typeface rhetoric. You go clickety click and get your head split. 'The hell you look like on a message board Discussing whether or not the Brother is hardcore?
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Re: Conservatives UNITE !!!
[Re: Capo de La Cosa Nostra]
#549765
07/22/09 06:43 PM
07/22/09 06:43 PM
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Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 25,984 California
The Italian Stallionette
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I did some checking. According to the World Health Report these are the rankings of countries as far as health care, showing France as #1 and the U.S. 37 (out of 190 countries). The article says that this is from 2000 and because of the complexity of the task that's the lastest they have. TIS 1 France 2 Italy 3 San Marino 4 Andorra 5 Malta 6 Singapore 7 Spain 8 Oman 9 Austria 10 Japan 11 Norway 12 Portugal 13 Monaco 14 Greece 15 Iceland 16 Luxembourg 17 Netherlands 18 United Kingdom 19 Ireland 20 Switzerland 21 Belgium 22 Colombia 23 Sweden 24 Cyprus 25 Germany 26 Saudi Arabia 27 United Arab Emirates 28 Israel 29 Morocco 30 Canada 31 Finland 32 Australia 33 Chile 34 Denmark 35 Dominica 36 Costa Rica 37 United States of America http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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