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Re: GFIII - What went wrong? [Re: Turnbull] #542577
05/28/09 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
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GF III does have some excellent moments thought, the Confession of Mike to Lamberto - a standout scene to be sure.

That's because he chose a great actor--Raf Vallone--as the Cardinal. One of the few brilliant casting choices in that film.

Turnbull, I hope I'm not mistaken, but I believe that Vallone was considered for the part of Vito in I. I think we can safely say that the better actor got the job. Nothing against Vallone, just that Brando was marvelous.

Re: GFIII - What went wrong? [Re: Sicilian Babe] #542580
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Kind of crazy for all the money that these movies made that they could not come to terms with Duvall somehow - instead create an inferior movie to last for all eternity

Just think how insignificant the salary dispute is now compared to all the money made

Re: GFIII - What went wrong? [Re: Sopranorleone] #542582
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Originally Posted By: Sopranorleone
Turnbull, I hope I'm not mistaken, but I believe that Vallone was considered for the part of Vito in I. I think we can safely say that the better actor got the job. Nothing against Vallone, just that Brando was marvelous.

Sopranoleone, Harlan Lebo, in his definitive, "The Godfather Legacy," makes no mention of Raf Vallone being considered as Vito. He does say that "hundreds" of people wanted to be considered, including Rudy Vallee(!), David Janssen and Vince Edwards. Supposedly the Mob preferred Ernest Borgnine. In his introduction to the VHS 25th anniversary edition of the Trilogy, Puzo said he heard that Danny Thomas(!) was planning to buy Paramount so he could play Vito. That prospect, according to Puzo, stimulated him to write Brando about playing Vito. In the end, two actors--John Marley and Richard Conte--were the finalists in Paramount's estimation. But Coppola and Ruddy wanted Brando, and they got him.


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Re: GFIII - What went wrong? [Re: AD] #542583
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Originally Posted By: AD
Where did FFC go wrong?


He made this movie.

Don Cardi hit it on the head... the only reason the movie was made was so FFC could save his wine (and that's no sour grapes). The movie wasn't made for the art or for the story but rather it was solely done for the money. By cashing in on Parts I and II, FFC sold out on Part III and the bottom line.

As a "Godfather" fan, that's an infamnia.


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Re: GFIII - What went wrong? [Re: SC] #542586
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On it's own it's an ok movie. It's to bad they won't redo GFIII and do it right this time. If they ever do I hope the Puzo estate don't let that pezzonavante Winegardner have anything to do with it.


Dylan Matthew Moran born 10/30/12


Re: GFIII - What went wrong? [Re: Mignon] #542596
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That's a good point, Mig. An open question to all BB'ers...if FFC/Puzo Estate announced today that they were going to remake GFIII (we assume that this time would be the "right" way), would you all be forgiving enough to accept it and look forward to such a project? Or should he just go forward and do a part 4 completely ignoring the majority of the part 3 flawed storylines altogether? It's my opinion that a part 4 is inevitable - it may be 5 or 10 years from now and FFC may or may not be involved but nonetheless a part 4 will evolve some day - studios will never let a cash cow franchise just sit on a shelf...IMO.

Re: GFIII - What went wrong? [Re: Mark] #542601
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However misguided FFC may have been, I remember eagerly awaiting the release of GF3. Before it opened, HBO had a "Making of" special. I remember being impressed by the scenes that they showed. I also remember being impressed by FFC's passion for the project.

They were showing the scene between Michael and Kay, which I mentioned earlier in this thread. FFC was describing the interaction between the two characters and he spoke about Michael Corleone as if he were a living, breathing person.

Despite his errors in making GF3, I don't believe I would want to see any other additions to the franchise in anyone else's hands.


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Re: GFIII - What went wrong? [Re: Sicilian Babe] #542605
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What went wrong with GF3?

Someone had an idea to make it. It was all downhill from there.


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Re: GFIII - What went wrong? [Re: Turnbull] #542607
05/29/09 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull

Sopranoleone, Harlan Lebo, in his definitive, "The Godfather Legacy," makes no mention of Raf Vallone being considered as Vito. He does say that "hundreds" of people wanted to be considered, including Rudy Vallee(!), David Janssen and Vince Edwards. Supposedly the Mob preferred Ernest Borgnine. In his introduction to the VHS 25th anniversary edition of the Trilogy, Puzo said he heard that Danny Thomas(!) was planning to buy Paramount so he could play Vito. That prospect, according to Puzo, stimulated him to write Brando about playing Vito. In the end, two actors--John Marley and Richard Conte--were the finalists in Paramount's estimation. But Coppola and Ruddy wanted Brando, and they got him.


That's odd. Thanks for the info. I wonder where I remember reading that about Vallone, though. If I find it, I'll post a link.

Re: GFIII - What went wrong? [Re: Don Cardi] #542608
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Originally Posted By: Don Cardi

"We had an agreement!" My goodness. uhwhat panic


In that scene, I always thought Hamilton was trying to emulate Duvall yelling out, "This committee owes an apology!"

Of course, he missed his mark. By quite a bit.

Of all the lousy performances in Part III, Hamilton's was undoubtedly the worst. I mean, "Zorro the Gay Blade" as consigliere?

Gimme a freakin' break.


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Re: GFIII - What went wrong? [Re: pizzaboy] #542626
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Hamilton is absolutely at his worst when he makes the crack to the Archbishop about his grey hair. The scene at the breakfast
table where he is explaining to Michael that the Corleone Foundation is no different than any large corporation is equally nauseating.


"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"

"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."

"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."

Re: GFIII - What went wrong? [Re: pizzaboy] #542656
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Don Cardi

"We had an agreement!" My goodness. uhwhat panic


In that scene, I always thought Hamilton was trying to emulate Duvall yelling out, "This committee owes an apology!



I remember Turnbull saying the same exact thing a few years back when we were having dinner together and I thought that it was an excellent observation on his part!

Hamilton couldn't come close to shining Duvall's shoes as an actor let alone emulating him on the big screen.


Hamilton's best role was in 'Love At First Bite'......


....he should have remained a bat!



Don Cardi cool

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Re: GFIII - What went wrong? [Re: Don Cardi] #542712
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Watched a bit of III last night....Hamilton really sucks doesn't he.


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Re: GFIII - What went wrong? [Re: Don Cardi] #542749
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Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Don Cardi

"We had an agreement!" My goodness. uhwhat panic


In that scene, I always thought Hamilton was trying to emulate Duvall yelling out, "This committee owes an apology!



I remember Turnbull saying the same exact thing a few years back when we were having dinner together and I thought that it was an excellent observation on his part!



Great minds . . . smile


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Re: GFIII - What went wrong? [Re: Danito] #542963
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Originally Posted By: Danito
I know, I'm pretty alone with this opinion, but I hate Garcia's overacting in GFIII. It's no better than Douglas Barr's "Howie" in "The Fall Guy".


Definitely agree with you Danito, I forgot to mention that.
Well over the top in parts. He may have been Sonny's boy and supposedly a hot head but..
Was just a bit too much.


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Re: GFIII - What went wrong? [Re: veneratio] #542976
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Personally I always thought Garcia tried to portray a younger version of Michael in GF and GFIII. Yes, Vincent was supposed to have his father's 'famous temper'...but Garcia made him more cerebral/thoughful and supposedly intelligent enough to head the Family.

I neither liked nor disliked Garcia's performance, thought of it as just ok. Not good enough to make any difference whatsoever in the quality (or non-quality) of the film.

To be honest though, I never could figure out what he did to earn that Oscar nomination!!

Apple


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Re: GFIII - What went wrong? [Re: AppleOnYa] #542979
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I didn't realise he got an Oscar nomination for that performance.
Yeah it was an okay performance, but it didn't help the movie.


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Re: GFIII - What went wrong? [Re: Mignon] #544022
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Apparently FFC never wanted to make Part II either... but I've come to accept that what FFC says depends on how he is feeling that day.

The bottom line is that FFC and Puzo didn't exactly have the motivation they had back in the 70's. They knew this was a cash-in, and approached it as such. That doesn't stop the movie from having flashes of brilliance, but overall, it's a sad end to a great trilogy.

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