I don't think Gotti was weak physically or in fights, I don't see where even guys who turned on him said anything like that. I believe inmate Johnson went nuts and attacked him, based on talking to corrections officer I know (my brother, and other family members) Gotti had been in prison before, I think in 1977, wouldn't a coward reputation would have followed him onto streets ?
Yeah, Gotti had been in prison in the late 60s as well. He always seemed to be the kind of guy who didn't mind getting physical if needed. In '84 he got into that fracas with the refrigerator mechanic who was upset that Gotti's friend, Frank Colletta, had double-parked and was blocking the street. John Gotti and his brother Gene looked like typical throwback bruiser types!
That refrigerator mechanic, Romuel Piecyk, had a record himself, several arrests for assault among them. Maybe they had common friends who got him to not testify. I wonder if he was even really a refrigerator mechanic. He certainly was not innocent in the fight, he had attacked a smaller man who was Gotti's friend over a parking spot.
I've read different accounts about this incident. Some stories say Colleta picked the fight by rushing up to Piecyk, who was seated in his van, and smacking him through the open window and stealing $325 from Piecyk's shirt pocket. Other stories say Gotti came out of the bar and either "starched" Piecyk or simply threatened him to "get lost"! I think this is one of those stories that tends to grow more fascinating over the years, what with all the revisionists around.
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: Scorsese]
#667816 09/26/1201:09 AM09/26/1201:09 AM
You gotta remember John Gotti was the boss of bosses. He was the boss of everyone when he was in power. I mean everyone! Think about it and if you were in his shoes. The boss of the Gambino crime family. I mean think about it for just a second. How would you feel if someone didn't listen to you even if you were in prison? What if you just let him do what he wanted and it got back to people in prison that some guy got away with not listening to John Gotti? Imagine if you were in Gottis shoes? Talk travels fast and rumors move fast in prison. Of course he was gonna have a big ego and if I was him I would have done the same thing. The guy no matter if you liked it or not, demanded respect. Thats one of the main reasons they made him boss to begin with. Cause he didn't take shit from anyone! He stood up for himself. If some dumb fuck scumbag floor sweeper wants to not listen to John Gotti, then I'm proud to know that John Gotti stood up for himself. He was old school and old school Italians don't like black people. To them blacks are the scum of the earth. Thats just how it is and always will be.
As far as I am concerned ,that black floor sweeper cleaner can go fuck himself.
Your taking this a little personally aint ya? Was gotti your uncle or something. Wonder what was said to him after he was beaten.....
Maybe if it had been a fellow Italo-American who punched Gotti out it would be more tolerable!
I don't think Gotti was weak physically or in fights, I don't see where even guys who turned on him said anything like that. I believe inmate Johnson went nuts and attacked him, based on talking to corrections officer I know (my brother, and other family members) Gotti had been in prison before, I think in 1977, wouldn't a coward reputation would have followed him onto streets ?
Yeah, Gotti had been in prison in the late 60s as well. He always seemed to be the kind of guy who didn't mind getting physical if needed. In '84 he got into that fracas with the refrigerator mechanic who was upset that Gotti's friend, Frank Colletta, had double-parked and was blocking the street. John Gotti and his brother Gene looked like typical throwback bruiser types!
That refrigerator mechanic, Romuel Piecyk, had a record himself, several arrests for assault among them. Maybe they had common friends who got him to not testify. I wonder if he was even really a refrigerator mechanic. He certainly was not innocent in the fight, he had attacked a smaller man who was Gotti's friend over a parking spot.
I've read different accounts about this incident. Some stories say Colleta picked the fight by rushing up to Piecyk, who was seated in his van, and smacking him through the open window and stealing $325 from Piecyk's shirt pocket. Other stories say Gotti came out of the bar and either "starched" Piecyk or simply threatened him to "get lost"! I think this is one of those stories that tends to grow more fascinating over the years, what with all the revisionists around.
i agree as with most gotti stories it is fantasy mostly. The media made it seem like gotti beat the guy up by himself but in reality he only smacked teh guy when 3 or 4 of guys in his crew assisted
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: JCrusher]
#667948 09/26/1207:54 PM09/26/1207:54 PM
So many legendary tales about Mr. Gotti. In Victoria Gotti's book about her dad, she claims her dad single-handedly beat the crap out of numerous neighborhood thugs who jumped her brother (John A. Gotti) and beat him up pretty bad. But of course, Victoria makes her dad out to be some noble Robin Hood-like rogue who always did the right thing. She tried very hard to put such a positive spin on her dad's life of crime.
So many legendary tales about Mr. Gotti. In Victoria Gotti's book about her dad, she claims her dad single-handedly beat the crap out of numerous neighborhood thugs who jumped her brother (John A. Gotti) and beat him up pretty bad. But of course, Victoria makes her dad out to be some noble Robin Hood-like rogue who always did the right thing. She tried very hard to put such a positive spin on her dad's life of crime.
Victoria is a bigtime storyteller. she is also the definition of "babe in the woods routine" She also claims that her father didnt have Favara killed and even describes favara as some kind of remorseless killer who murdered her brother
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: JCrusher]
#667977 09/27/1201:53 AM09/27/1201:53 AM
[quote=jace]I don't think Gotti was weak physically or in fights, I don't see where even guys who turned on him said anything like that. I believe inmate Johnson went nuts and attacked him, based on talking to corrections officer I know (my brother, and other family members) Gotti had been in prison before, I think in 1977, wouldn't a coward reputation would have followed him onto streets ?
Yeah, Gotti had been in prison in the late 60s as well. He always seemed to be the kind of guy who didn't mind getting physical if needed. In '84 he got into that fracas with the refrigerator mechanic who was upset that Gotti's friend, Frank Colletta, had double-parked and was blocking the street. John Gotti and his brother Gene looked like typical throwback bruiser types!
I've read different accounts about this incident. Some stories say Colleta picked the fight by rushing up to Piecyk, who was seated in his van, and smacking him through the open window and stealing $325 from Piecyk's shirt pocket. Other stories say Gotti came out of the bar and either "starched" Piecyk or simply threatened him to "get lost"! I think this is one of those stories that tends to grow more fascinating over the years, what with all the revisionists around.
i agree as with most gotti stories it is fantasy mostly. The media made it seem like gotti beat the guy up by himself but in reality he only smacked teh guy when 3 or 4 of guys in his crew assisted
Every account I have ever seen, including original statement by Piecyk, say it was Gotti alone, and it was more than smacks. I have never seen any mention of associates helping, were is that info from ?
So many legendary tales about Mr. Gotti. In Victoria Gotti's book about her dad, she claims her dad single-handedly beat the crap out of numerous neighborhood thugs who jumped her brother (John A. Gotti) and beat him up pretty bad. But of course, Victoria makes her dad out to be some noble Robin Hood-like rogue who always did the right thing. She tried very hard to put such a positive spin on her dad's life of crime.
Her book was terrible. She kept making it sound like he was a God. Book needed a stronger editor if it was to be successful, obviously one was not used.
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: jace]
#667981 09/27/1202:00 AM09/27/1202:00 AM
So many legendary tales about Mr. Gotti. In Victoria Gotti's book about her dad, she claims her dad single-handedly beat the crap out of numerous neighborhood thugs who jumped her brother (John A. Gotti) and beat him up pretty bad. But of course, Victoria makes her dad out to be some noble Robin Hood-like rogue who always did the right thing. She tried very hard to put such a positive spin on her dad's life of crime.
Her book was terrible. She kept making it sound like he was a God. Book needed a stronger editor if it was to be successful, obviously one was not used.
Haha...Yeah, true! She even said how her dad told her (in the event she ever wrote a book about him) to never make him out to be a saint or a choir boy, because, according to John, he wasn't! But she did her best to put such a noble, positive spin on Gotti's life and lifestyle. She supposedly loved the man but loathed the lifestyle; well, that lifestyle was a major part of the man!
I saw a video of Piecyk with his arm in a sling showing up to court shortly after his altercation with Gotti. Whether that was real or just for show to elicit sympathy who knows. But all the accounts I read of the incident say it was only Gotti and Frank Colletta involved with Piecyk, that Piecyk started fighting with Colletta, and then Gotti erupted out of the bar and joined in the fracas. But that was in '84, when John wasn't a boss yet, so he could still get his hands a little dirty!
I saw a video of Piecyk with his arm in a sling showing up to court shortly after his altercation with Gotti. Whether that was real or just for show to elicit sympathy who knows. But all the accounts I read of the incident say it was only Gotti and Frank Colletta involved with Piecyk, that Piecyk started fighting with Colletta, and then Gotti erupted out of the bar and joined in the fracas. But that was in '84, when John wasn't a boss yet, so he could still get his hands a little dirty!
Exactly some make it seem like gotti beat the guy up on his own but it was 2 on 1
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: JCrusher]
#671111 10/19/1208:10 PM10/19/1208:10 PM
I saw a video of Piecyk with his arm in a sling showing up to court shortly after his altercation with Gotti. Whether that was real or just for show to elicit sympathy who knows. But all the accounts I read of the incident say it was only Gotti and Frank Colletta involved with Piecyk, that Piecyk started fighting with Colletta, and then Gotti erupted out of the bar and joined in the fracas. But that was in '84, when John wasn't a boss yet, so he could still get his hands a little dirty!
Exactly some make it seem like gotti beat the guy up on his own but it was 2 on 1
Yeah, Gotti should have put the gloves on with Piecyk and fought it out mano y mano. At Marion, Gotti didn't have his bodyguards to run interference!
I saw a video of Piecyk with his arm in a sling showing up to court shortly after his altercation with Gotti. Whether that was real or just for show to elicit sympathy who knows. But all the accounts I read of the incident say it was only Gotti and Frank Colletta involved with Piecyk, that Piecyk started fighting with Colletta, and then Gotti erupted out of the bar and joined in the fracas. But that was in '84, when John wasn't a boss yet, so he could still get his hands a little dirty!
Exactly some make it seem like gotti beat the guy up on his own but it was 2 on 1
Yeah, Gotti should have put the gloves on with Piecyk and fought it out mano y mano. At Marion, Gotti didn't have his bodyguards to run interference!
Dont get me wrong Gotti could fight but i think some of the younge rgeneration make him out to be a total badass. I mean in reality gotti never really personally killed anybody. Now he is is still a murderer but he ordered murders instead of doing them himself
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: JCrusher]
#671244 10/21/1201:17 AM10/21/1201:17 AM
I saw a video of Piecyk with his arm in a sling showing up to court shortly after his altercation with Gotti. Whether that was real or just for show to elicit sympathy who knows. But all the accounts I read of the incident say it was only Gotti and Frank Colletta involved with Piecyk, that Piecyk started fighting with Colletta, and then Gotti erupted out of the bar and joined in the fracas. But that was in '84, when John wasn't a boss yet, so he could still get his hands a little dirty!
Exactly some make it seem like gotti beat the guy up on his own but it was 2 on 1
Yeah, Gotti should have put the gloves on with Piecyk and fought it out mano y mano. At Marion, Gotti didn't have his bodyguards to run interference!
Dont get me wrong Gotti could fight but i think some of the younge rgeneration make him out to be a total badass. I mean in reality gotti never really personally killed anybody. Now he is is still a murderer but he ordered murders instead of doing them himself
In reality you have no clue if John Gotti ever pulled the trigger or not, how do you know if JG ever pulled the trigger? The answer is you don't...........soliai
Black calm down lol. I never said i knew for sure i've just basing it what i've read on him. Maybe he did but Gotti was more teh type who ordered death. gotti was a capo for most of bhis time as a made man and even before he was a made guy he was acting capo for Fatico so he didnt really have to get his hands dirty. I mean the only incident where he was present at was Mcbratney's murder and Ralph Galione was the triggerman
Exactly. I'll buy that gotti was present at desimone's murder. However i would bet that wille boy,angelo,gene,carneglia brothers, and tommy agro did the dirty work
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: JCrusher]
#671346 10/22/1212:51 AM10/22/1212:51 AM
Exactly. I'll buy that gotti was present at desimone's murder. However i would bet that wille boy,angelo,gene,carneglia brothers, and tommy agro did the dirty work
It's strange how John Gotti seemed to be mob royalty from the very beginning. He was acting capo before he was even made. How often does that happen? Then, when it came to actually making his bones, he didn't have to actually kill anyone. Then, if all the stories are correct, Gotti ordered others to do his dirty work when it came time to eliminate Paul Castellano. I mean, I'm not glorifying all that dirty stuff, but if Gotti were such a tough guy, and if he himself wanted to be boss, why didn't Gotti go out and settle things with Castellano instead of lordly ordering others to do it for him?
It amazes me how Gotti seemed to have such a princely ascension to the top of the mob. There's something very "weanieish" about simply ordering others to do your own dirty work.
Exactly. I'll buy that gotti was present at desimone's murder. However i would bet that wille boy,angelo,gene,carneglia brothers, and tommy agro did the dirty work
It's strange how John Gotti seemed to be mob royalty from the very beginning. He was acting capo before he was even made. How often does that happen? Then, when it came to actually making his bones, he didn't have to actually kill anyone. Then, if all the stories are correct, Gotti ordered others to do his dirty work when it came time to eliminate Paul Castellano. I mean, I'm not glorifying all that dirty stuff, but if Gotti were such a tough guy, and if he himself wanted to be boss, why didn't Gotti go out and settle things with Castellano instead of lordly ordering others to do it for him?
It amazes me how Gotti seemed to have such a princely ascension to the top of the mob. There's something very "weanieish" about simply ordering others to do your own dirty work.
Well it can be harder to prove but then you run the risk of them f'n it up or ratting you out if they get caught I mean modern day murder charges for mobsters today they almost automatically flip I wish ivyleague posting on here so he could provide some statistics
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It's strange how John Gotti seemed to be mob royalty from the very beginning. He was acting capo before he was even made.
JA, I´m not attacking you in any way, bacause I have seen that statement elswhere. But I would like to know where it stems from. Being not made and at the same time in charge of a crew that contains made guys, sounds unlikely to me. Is that even possible? We may suspect Gotti to have been an acting capo as early as 1977, when the Fatico brothers were sent away, but prior to that, there is no evedence of John Gotti running Fatico´s crew.
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: HairyKnuckles]
#671368 10/22/1209:23 AM10/22/1209:23 AM
It's strange how John Gotti seemed to be mob royalty from the very beginning. He was acting capo before he was even made.
JA, I´m not attacking you in any way, bacause I have seen that statement elswhere. But I would like to know where it stems from. Being not made and at the same time in charge of a crew that contains made guys, sounds unlikely to me. Is that even possible? We may suspect Gotti to have been an acting capo as early as 1977, when the Fatico brothers were sent away, but prior to that, there is no evedence of John Gotti running Fatico´s crew.
You're right it sounds crazy but its true. In 1972 Fatico went to jail and since john was a protege of both Fatico and Neil they made gotti his proxy/acting capo. In fact gotti reported to neil and when neil went to jail in 73 he reported to carlo for a short time
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: Dapper_Don]
#671430 10/22/1202:29 PM10/22/1202:29 PM
Thanks for sharing that blurb on nino gaggi and roy demeo i never kenw gaggi said that before...
Gaggi was mistaken, I beleive when DeMeo was made thats how the Gambino's did things, however when Big Pauly as whaked noone contested Gotti. I think up until Gotti thats how the did things, I think the Gambino's are going back to the old way though with there new boss Quiet Dom Cefalu..I think Quiet Dom is going to put the Gambino's bac on the map ( MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION THAT HAS NOT BEEN STATED ANYWHERE)
"According to my best recollection,I don't remember." - Vincent "Jimmy Blue Eyes" Alo
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: PhillySteve]
#671437 10/22/1202:50 PM10/22/1202:50 PM
The John Gotti book called Mob Star (one of the best mob books ever written) talks about this. More less the black dude snuck Gotti and got several punches in. Not really a fight. A big bounty was put on the black guys head (over a million dollars) that he had to be moved out of the prison to another location. After he go released from jail he went into hiding
Sounds like Gotti got the last laugh yeah he might have been snuck in the faceee..... yea ok who cares...Gotti's name alone made a act of congress happened and got that guy moved out of Marion due to his life being at stake.....Thats saying alot... Guarentee if it was the other way around and Gotti snuck the afrcan american gentleman noone wuld have moved Gotti becase his life was at stake.....
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"According to my best recollection,I don't remember." - Vincent "Jimmy Blue Eyes" Alo
He wasnt moved out of the prison he got paroled and then he got sent back for killing a cop on his way to killing the person who snitched on him in the first place.
Thanks for sharing that blurb on nino gaggi and roy demeo i never kenw gaggi said that before...
Gaggi was mistaken, I beleive when DeMeo was made thats how the Gambino's did things, however when Big Pauly as whaked noone contested Gotti. I think up until Gotti thats how the did things, I think the Gambino's are going back to the old way though with there new boss Quiet Dom Cefalu..I think Quiet Dom is going to put the Gambino's bac on the map ( MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION THAT HAS NOT BEEN STATED ANYWHERE)
Is Cefalus nickname Quiet Dom too or are you mixing his name up witj Quiet Dom Cirillo the Genovese capo?
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: Wilson]
#671453 10/22/1203:41 PM10/22/1203:41 PM
Really? If that's the case, the bastard deserved to get his ass kicked. I never understood how the public could love a scumbag like John Gotti
Yeah! I didn't believe this guy at first but he started sounding really convinsing later. He did show me his old prison ID card from Marion Prison and some other proof. He's also an old outlaw biker kind of guy.....
You gotta remember John Gotti was the boss of bosses. He was the boss of everyone when he was in power. I mean everyone! Think about it and if you were in his shoes. The boss of the Gambino crime family. I mean think about it for just a second. How would you feel if someone didn't listen to you even if you were in prison? What if you just let him do what he wanted and it got back to people in prison that some guy got away with not listening to John Gotti? Imagine if you were in Gottis shoes? Talk travels fast and rumors move fast in prison. Of course he was gonna have a big ego and if I was him I would have done the same thing. The guy no matter if you liked it or not, demanded respect. Thats one of the main reasons they made him boss to begin with. Cause he didn't take shit from anyone! He stood up for himself. If some dumb fuck scumbag floor sweeper wants to not listen to John Gotti, then I'm proud to know that John Gotti stood up for himself. He was old school and old school Italians don't like black people. To them blacks are the scum of the earth. Thats just how it is and always will be.
As far as I am concerned ,that black floor sweeper cleaner can go fuck himself.
Not trying to knock what your saying but I dont think Gotti was the Capo Di Tutti Capi....I dont think there was one at the time but if there was it as deff Chin Gigante
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