Yada yada yada...same bullshit..different day.


TIS

Why won't he produce a U.S. Birth Certificate proving he was BORN in the United States?

At this point...it's just obnoxious.

EDIT: Oh and I love the Republicans crying about the "Constitution" being violated...umm were you hibernating a few years ago?

A presidential nominee's production of a US Birth Certificate is "a
requirement via the Constitution"? I assume that requirement is in Article II. Where?

"... every other presidential nominee ..."? Hmmm. Refresh our memories Apple. Where and when did all of these productions take place? Start with Mitt Romney and continue through the list to Ron Paul.

that was really funny, and its a stupid subject that could easily be done with if he just releases his certificate

There, there ... I better slow down for you.
I said (or wrote), nom-in-ee.

Anyway, yes it is stated in Article II that one must be a natural born citizen to serve as President.

In fact there was some silly chatter several years ago, when Ahhhhnold Schwarzeneger was seeing better days as the newly elected Governor of CA, that an amendment be proposed that would enable the Austrian born Schwarzeneger to one day run for President, if he chose to do so. (Chances are we don't need to worry about THAT any longer...)

Now, President Barack Hussein Obama may very well be a 'natural born Citizen' of the United States...if only he'd produce that Certificate to prove it.

But then again, it obviously doesn't matter at this point.

Apple

That is, assuming there is one in the first place.

Can anyone imagine if a Republican attempted to run without presenting proof of having been born a U.S. Citizen? The Dems & the media would not let it go for a single second of the campaign.

Apple

No, not really.

In fact while I would've preferred McCain (not much of a prize, himself), I think the historic significance of Obama being elected is something that was needed in this country. I believe I even posted that here on the BB the day after the election.

Now, it will be fun watching him and his VP bury themselves over the next 4 years. (And if the first six months is any indication, they will NOT disappoint...!!!)

Apple

there is a news paper clipping of the parents of barack announcing the birth in hawaii...there is a certificate for some reason not given to the public, and because of that this conspiracy is happing. also too if this is a plan to take over the country then they would had to plan this for 40 some years.

RE: Sour grapes



Yeah, right!

Anyone believe that, I have a bridge for sale.

No, the requirement of the Constitution as you cited it is to the production of a birth certificate. There is no such requirement in the Constitution. The President's birth certificate has been produced and the State of Hawii, including its Republican governor, have verified its veracity.

So, speeding up again, since birth certificates did not become commonplace until well into the 1900s, what's the source of your statement that "every other presidential nominee" has produced their birth certificate? To make it easier on you, where and when were the birth certificates of our Nation's last 4 Presidents produced?

In that joke of a press conference last night, he described his healthcare plan by referencing "The Matrix" when he said, "If there's a blue pill and a red pill, and the blue pill is half the price of the red pill and works just as well, why not pay half price for the thing that's going to make you well?" By making that reference, I have to assume that he has seen "The Matrix". In the movie, the blue pill is the wrong choice - it would return Keanu to his world of ignorance and illusion. The red pill, which Barry doesn't want us to take, would allow Keanu to see the truth of his reality.

He completely mishandled the Robert Gates and Cambridge Police situation. He claimed to have not known all the facts, but still said that the cop acted "stupidly", basing that opinion that the arrest was about racism. It has been suggested here that Obama has been criticized because he's 1/2 black, but how come he gets away with the same sort of perceived racism?

For an avowed diehard fan of the Chicago White Sox, I found it funny that he called their former stadium "ComINskey FIELD", when every true fan knows that the actual name was Comiskey Park.

And he wears mom jeans.

I bet you five to one that he'll be re-elected.

The cop in Cambridge did act stupidly. It was stupid to invoke the power of the state because your feelings are hurt. That's what the cop did. The professor's arrest did not serve the community or state. It was a waste of public resources.

By the way Apple, when you use movies of the Matrix genre to illustrate your political criticism, you're reach has surely exceeded your grasp of comprehension.

Seriously, you don't believe that cops in this country are racially motivated at times, Freddie?? Really?? C'mon. If you think they're not, then you must be seriously naive or immeasurably stupid. Not saying you're either, just that it's possible.

And I don't think he mishandled anything. The cops DID act stupidly. They arrested a man for breaking and entering his own home, when he had sufficient proof of his identity. If that's not acting stupidly, and doesn't raise the possibility of racism, then I don't know what might.

Iceman, still waiting for those specific statements that you agreed with.

Apple, I'm thinking that if this country re-elected President Bush and VP Cheney, then President Obama should sail back into office in 2012.

that has to suck bad to get locked out of your house, and getting arrested for breaking back in. idk, but i heard they arrested him just based on his attitude or something like that. an article on yahoo has an african american police officer who was there saying the arrest was right.

I don't believe "snotty attitude" is against the law. If the man had sufficient ID to prove that he was the resident of the home, as was reported on WCBS 880 AM yesterday, then I see no way that the arrest was warranted. If he didn't, and that news story was incorrect, then the police may have had grounds, but it hasn't been reported that way.

I was making a point about this one particular incident that the President should not have prejudged with out knowing all the facts, but thanks for letting me know about my *possible* immeasurable stupidity. It had never occurred to me before.

And apparently he agrees with me - Obama regrets remarks

you are right about the comment with attitude, but if i remember right i heard it from some source (i could had mis heard it as well). along with that i didnt hear about him showing id just heard about saying its house or something along those lines.

Here is an interview the arresting officer did on a Boston radio station.

Sgt. James Crowley, Cambridge Police

I agree that he may have misspoke, and admire him for being man enough to call the officer and speak to him about it.

Even though Obama said on the onset that he was a bit biased because this was a friend of his, it was a poor choice of words. He should have left it at, "I don't know all the facts."

Btw, I heard this Officer Crowley taught (or was involved in somehow) racial profiling classes?




TIS

P.S.Listening to MSN right now, they are indicating this isn't over for Mr. Gates and Officer Krupke (Crowley) One guy is saying Gates is lawyering up. According to this guest (sorry don't know his name), Gate's story is totally different than the policeman's.

You know, we do ourselves a disservice when we post incorrect information on this Board. Let's understand why the professor was arrested. It was for disorderly conduct that resulted from the professor's statements directed at the police. The purpose of a disorderly conduct statute is to allow law enforcement officials the latitude to determine that conduct is unlawful that is not otherwise defined by law as unlawful.

As I posted above, I do not support an arrest that is intended to assuage a cop's feelings. That cop should have ignored the professor's statement's and walked away and utilized those public resources more productively.

Cops do enjoy the (un)due power vested in them by law, by the way of these latitudes that you talk about. So are the notions of "contempt of court" and such. Why should the cop have behaved any differently in this particular case? Why was the arrest stupid?

Perhaps the Professor "lost his cool"; however, if I was in my own home and the police showed up to arrest me for breaking into it, I'm not sure how calm I would be, either.

It was stupid because it was a waste of scarce public resources. It did not serve the interests of the state or the community. It was a choice the cop made that was based on personal emotion that pales by comparison with the public interests.

The cop did not show up to arrest him. A call was made that two men were trying to open a door with their shoulders (we now know that it was jammed). In properly checking on the situation, the cop asked him for an ID to prove that he lived there and Gates flipped out, exposing his own racial hostilities. Perhaps he should have been a little more grateful how quickly the police came to investigate a break-in at his house.

this situation is stupid, and really thought one end is telling the truth...it just depends on who the media sides with (remember some are bias).

It was an error in judgment on Obama's part to have even answered that question at the press conference.

Most politicians don't like to answer ANY questions but I'm guessing the subject was a matter that Obama wanted to address (without fully knowing the facts in this particular case). A more seasoned veteran would have replied (to the reporter's question), "I'd rather not answer that until all the facts are known".

Obama now has to spend time/energy deflecting the fallout from this "mistake in judgment". Time and energy that could be well spent on his healthcare reform.

I don't think we'll see him make this kind of mistake again.