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Wasn't no heart-attack
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08/22/05 09:14 AM
08/22/05 09:14 AM
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If Cicci and Pentangli thought the Rosato brothers killed CLemenza and he didn't die of a heartattack why didn't he mention that to Mike??? Or was that even the Case? Joe Batters
Aspanu summon the all of the chiefs DEATH TO ALL WHO BETRAY GIULIANO!
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Re: Wasn't no heart-attack
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08/22/05 10:57 AM
08/22/05 10:57 AM
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plawrence
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I always had the impression from Cicci's comment that the Rosatos didn't kill Clemenza outright, but (I know this sounds silly, but I can't think of a better way to express it) "aggravated him to death".
So he died of "natural causes" brought about by his troubles with the Rosatos.
How would Fredo have had the impression that it was a heart attack otherwise?
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Re: Wasn't no heart-attack
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08/22/05 08:23 PM
08/22/05 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by olivant: I believe that the Rosato brothers were the Gallo brothers in real life. I think that Cicci's remark about Clemenza's possible heart attack was a reference to the possible poisoning of one of Joe Bonanno's capos possibly engineered by the Gallo brothers or to Joe Profaci's actual heart attack (since I think that Clemenza is Joe Profaci in real life). Yes. FFC always made some parallels to real life. In real life, ca. 1960, Joe (Joe Jelly) Gioelli operated some gambling joints in Joe Profaci's territory but didn't pay tribute. Profaci promised the Gallo brothers (a faction in his family) Jelly's territories if they whacked him. They whacked him. Profaci welshed. So the Gallos kidnapped several high ranking members of Profaci's family and held them hostage (sounding familiar?). Profaci arranged a sitdown with the Commission. The Commission ordered the hostages released, and Profaci to give the territories to the Gallos. They complied, he didn't. So the went to the mattresses. In another parallel: Larry Gallo was lured to a bar in Brooklyn that was closed. There he was garotted and almost killed--except that a policeman happened by and broke it up. Profaci died of cancer, not a heart attack. But in another parallel: Profaci's brother-in-law, Joe Magliocco, took over. He plotted with Joe Bonanno to whack out Carlo Gambino and Tommy Lucchese. The plot was ratted out by Joe Columbo, a captain in Magliocco's family. Magliocco was called out by the Commission, paid a fine, retired, died of a heart attack. Columbo then became boss.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Wasn't no heart-attack
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08/25/05 04:52 PM
08/25/05 04:52 PM
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According to THE GODFATHER RETURNS, Clemenza might die by heart attack, but it does not explain the cause exacly, he might be poisoned by his 2 bodyguards. Winegardner explains something about the Rosatto Brothers, but not clearly. Clemenza`s death and his relationship with the Rosatto Brothers is one the most mysterious things in GF, Tom Hagen`s death too. Nobody says who The Rosatto Brothers were, soldiers or caporegimes in the Corleone Family, or whatever.
Pelé is the King Maradona is God!
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Re: Wasn't no heart-attack
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08/26/05 01:57 AM
08/26/05 01:57 AM
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plawrence
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Originally posted by Don Pappo Napolitano: According to THE GODFATHER RETURNS, Clemenza might die by heart attack, but it does not explain the cause exacly, he might be poisoned by his 2 bodyguards. Winegardner explains something about the Rosatto Brothers, but not clearly. Just so you know Don Pappo, since you're new here..... Weingardner's opinion of how Clemenza died has no more validity than anyone else's here. In fact, it has less, given that I can think of any number of members here who are far more familiar with the original book, films, characters, etc. In any case, welcome. You must be a real fan to have read The Godfather Returns, and even more so if you finished it.
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Re: Wasn't no heart-attack
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08/26/05 02:32 PM
08/26/05 02:32 PM
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Plawrence, haha yes, I am a fan, and I finished, I don`t recomend the book, but I guess everyone would read it to have an opinion, there are many things that bothered me in this book.
Pelé is the King Maradona is God!
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