Carmine Galante was never a Boss - he was the leader of dissident faction in the Bonanno Family. Philip Rastelli was the real Boss.

Salvatore Giancana among others never had complete control of the Chicago Outfit, from the early 1950s it was Anthony Accardo and Paul Ricca.

Joseph Colombo was never the Boss of the Colombo Family, it was Joseph Gallo - the crazy one.

Colombo was named as the head of the family in Magliocco's place. To remove the association with its despised former head, the family was rechristened the Colombo family

Is it true though that Gambino put Colombo there so that he would have a puppet/boss to control. Colombo would be thanking Gambino for the honour of being boss.

yes, but he was still the boss also Galante was the Street Boss, which is also still a boss, and no one ever has had a complete control of the Chicago Outfit, not even Al Capone

So when people go on about how Capone was all that, in reality he was'nt!

well, no one will be able to control all of the Chicago outfit, it is still too unorganized, eventually someone might

They have a "Board of Directors" - a 3 tier leadership. Now is DiFronzo, Tornabene and Lombardo. Andriachhi is a Street leader.

well, until they get an organization like the new york families, where no one person is trying to control it all, no one really will

More bulls**t.



It looked that way, Santino. But that's because Capone ran the Outfit more like a corporation than a traditional Mafia or Camorra family. He had a kind of board of directors, and he delegated authority. For example: After the St. Valentine's Day massacre brought tremendous heat on him (and on organized crime in general), other Mob bosses called a convention in Atlantic City. Capone was "advised" to take a powder. He arranged to have himself arrested on a gun charge in Philadelphia right after the convention. During the year he spent in a PA prison, Jake Guzik, who was both his and Torrio's second-in-command, ran the Outfit. Capone resumed control when he was released. When Capone went to prison on the tax rap, Guzik and Frank (the Enforcer) Nitti ran the Outfit jointly, until Nitti killed himself in '43. Then Ricca took over.

Interestingly, brother Ralph (Bottles) Capone, a dimwit, never held a position of authority in the Outfit. And you probably know that another Capone brother became a Prohibition agent.

On this Chicago thing today -- you gotta quit sticking names (regardless of where you heard those names) into a pre-determined organizational chart.

I don't even think "the boys" themselves understand what the chart is supposed to be today. They just know there is a hierarchy and they honor that.

tony b.

Are you retarded?

Seriously, are you?

Yes, Pizzaboy, I am.

Santino, as wwell as TB have both provided you with the correct information in regards to Columbo and Galante.

But I must ask you this MiniMafia, what in the world made you make these statements? What do you base them on? Why have you drawn such conslusions with such confidence?

I am really really interested to know.

I got this one from numerous books and websites. Galante must have thought he was the Boss, as he had inducted a few people.

The Colombo thing should have never have been written by me. Mixed references.

It's true, Galante was never the official boss. As turncoat Bonanno underboss Salvatore Vitale would later testify, Galante was technically a captain. However, while Rastelli was in prison, Galante basically acted as if he were the boss, i.e. running a large portion of the family, holding making ceremonies, ordering hits, etc. It would be accurate to call him a defacto boss.

Also, Giancana was indeed the boss of the Outfit. It's just that the Outfit has always been run more by a committe than by a single all powerful boss. And during Giancana's reign, Tony Accardo (the consigliere) had the most seniority and the final say.

Estimates for the membership of the modern day Outfit range from a low of 25 to a high of 65. Below is a list of 30 names who are confirmed to be made members -

1. Joseph Andriacchi
2. Robert Bellavia
3. Frank James Calabrese Sr.
4. Bruno Caruso
5. Frank Caruso Sr.
6. Leo Caruso
7. Nicholas Cataudella
8. Salvatore Cataudella
9. William Daddano Jr.
10. Marco D'Amico
11. John DiFronzo
12. Joseph DiFronzo
13. Peter M. DiFronzo
14. Salvatore DeLaurentis
15. Rudolph Fratto Jr.
16. Michael Gurgone
17. James Inendino
18. Joseph Lombardo Sr.
19. Rocco Lombardo
20. Michael Magnifichi
21. James Marcello
22. Louis Marino
23. John Matassa Jr.
24. Salvatore Muserino
25. Michael Spano Sr.
26. John Eugene Spizzirri
27. Richard Allen Spizzirri
28. Joseph Talarico
29. Michael C. Talarico
30. Alphonse Tornabene

According to authorities, John "No Nose" DiFronzo is still the boss. James "Jimmy" Marcello is still the underboss, even though he is now in prison. Same goes for Joseph "The Clown" Lombardo, who is still consigliere.

Joseph "The Builder" Andriacchi continues to be the North Side boss, but is also now considered to be the "street boss" under DiFronzo in charge of the other area bosses and lieutenants.

In the North Side, Peter "Pete"DiFronzo and Rudolph "Rudy" Fratto run the Elmwood Park crew, while John "Pudge" Matassa oversees the Rush Street crew. Joseph "Joe Kong" Culotta oversees the West Side, which includes the Grand Avenue crew and Melrose Park/Cicero crew. The South Side, which includes the 26th Street/Chinatown crew, is overseen by Frank "Toots" Caruso, along with Albert "Chickie" Rovario. Alphonse "Al the Pizza Man" Tornabene is said to have a lot of influence on the South Side and it has been speculated that he may now be acting consigliere.

Citations please...

Confirmed by who? "Made" how? Define "authorities." This looks like a laundry list derived from the ipsn.org web site.

I won't argue with the content (I can challenge the accuracy of your last couple of paragraphs, but won't) ... but there are a lot of nicknames conferred by the media in your list, and that tells me you got this from somewhere. We'd all just like to know where.

tony b.

I was thinking the same thing in the "2008 family chart" thread,, where would he get this info from..

The list of 30 names was compiled (not by me) from indictments or press reports where they have been positively identified as made Outfit members by the FBI or other authorities. The chart from the ispn site is outdated and even back when it was released there were many glaring errors.

What do you find wrong with the last couple of paragraphs?

What specific questions do you have about the 2008 family chart thread? For the record, while the membership totals and family hierachies originally posted in that thread were not correct and needed correction, the list of captains of the five New York families comes from a well known poster on organized crime forums named Pogo the Clown. Many LCN family charts you see on message boards are taken from him.

How long until Geoff figures out that "Ivy League" and "Mini Mafia Boss" are one and the same?

Enjoy your time here . . . for now.

Tick, tock . . . tick, tock . . .

Trust me, I'm not Mini Mafia Boss (whoever that is). I am a regular poster on a number of other organized crime forums.

The only difference is he can spell better,my instincts tell me something is wrong though

indeed... I think an IP check is in order

Feel free to check my IP address. I'm not "Mini Mafia Boss." As I said before, I am a regular poster on other organized crime forums. I'm not here to bullshit. What I post is well researched, not just by me, but by many others.

They're not even on the same continent, so let up a little.
Ivy - please don't post any more copyrighted material, especially when it comes from a PAY site. Thanks.

My apologies. Won't happen again.