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why did Michel buy the casino's
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Hi evreyone i'm just wondering why Michel bought the casino's. After his father's death Michel was probley set for life I don't see why he could'nt just retire. Thx for replies
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Re: why did Michel buy the casino's
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Welcome, Mercop. Very good question! Yes, Michael could have continued to be boss of the "olive oil business" after he took over from Vito, and after he whacked the other Dons. But Michael's lifelong obsession was to be "legitimate." Since the Corleones were pre-eminent in gambling, his move to Nevada--the only state in the US where gambling was legal at that time--was intended to migrate his illegitimate gaming interests into legalized outlets. The ongoing question is: Why wasn't he content to be "legitimate" through ownership of casinos in the state where gambling was legal? Why did he have to hide his ownership interests? Why did he have to pursue Roth's Cuban gaming empire? Why did he continue to hold onto the NYC "olive oil business" by bossing Frank Pentangeli and keeping his heavy thumb on Frankie?
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: why did Michel buy the casino's
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Thank you very much for your ansers
Last edited by mercop; 01/12/08 08:47 PM.
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Re: why did Michel buy the casino's
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By the way, did you notice that in the novel the Corleones own four hotels in Vegas. But in II they have two in Vegas, one in Reno and they they intend to move Klingman out and take over the Tropigala. What happened to the fourth hotel they had in the novel? It was imploded in a New Year's Eve ceremony witnessed by a crowd of 200,000. Five years later, when a new hotel's foundation was being excavated on that site, a set of bones was discovered in the rubble. DNA testing proved conclusively that the skeleton belonged to a certain Fredo Corleone...
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: why did Michel buy the casino's
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The ongoing question is: Why wasn't he content to be "legitimate" through ownership of casinos in the state where gambling was legal? Why did he have to hide his ownership interests? Why did he have to pursue Roth's Cuban gaming empire? Why did he continue to hold onto the NYC "olive oil business" by bossing Frank Pentangeli and keeping his heavy thumb on Frankie?
Good questions.. Michael was probably hiding at least some of his ownership interests in casinos because he wasn't paying all of his taxes and the money being skimmed was probably being diverted to fund activities the Federal government wouldn't have approved of. The other more prosaic reason of course could have been that as the son and brother of NY mob bosses and as someone who was at least temporarily charged with murder, even a corrupt gaming Commission Board could not easily grant Michael a license. But the deeper question you touch on is why did Michael keep one foot in the illegitimate world. I think he did it because he liked it. He was good at it and he wasn't going to give away anything that he had come to think of as HIS. The tragedy of the Corleones is that although Michael was the only one who could have saved the Family in its time of crisis he was also the only one who could have built a completely legitimate career outside of the Family. I think Vito knew that , which is why he was so distraught about events.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: why did Michel buy the casino's
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Michael was probably hiding at least some of his ownership interests in casinos because he wasn't paying all of his taxes and the money being skimmed was probably being diverted to fund activities the Federal government wouldn't have approved of. The other more prosaic reason of course could have been that as the son and brother of NY mob bosses and as someone who was at least temporarily charged with murder, even a corrupt gaming Commission Board could not easily grant Michael a license. All possible, even likely, reasons. Another is that it represented Michael's deep-seated ambivalence about being "legitimate": as a Mafia Don, he instinctively hid his business interests, even if they were truly "legitimate." In effect, he couldn't stop being furtive. But the deeper question you touch on is why did Michael keep one foot in the illegitimate world. I think he did it because he liked it. He was good at it and he wasn't going to give away anything that he had come to think of as HIS. Yes indeed, Lilo. That's it in a nutshell: he was too much of a pathological controller, too much a gangster, to give up anything he had. Not to get too psychological, but, by holding onto the NYC olive oil business, he was, in effect, rejecting complete legitimacy. The tragedy of the Corleones is that although Michael was the only one who could have saved the Family in its time of crisis he was also the only one who could have built a completely legitimate career outside of the Family. I think Vito knew that , which is why he was so distraught about events. In the novel, one of Vito's oft-repeated phrases is, "A man has but one destiny." That was probably the awful realization he came to when he heard that Michael whacked Sollozzo and McCluskey.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: why did Michel buy the casino's
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The tragedy of the Corleones is that although Michael was the only one who could have saved the Family in its time of crisis he was also the only one who could have built a completely legitimate career outside of the Family. I think Vito knew that , which is why he was so distraught about events
In the novel, one of Vito's oft-repeated phrases is, "A man has but one destiny." That was probably the awful realization he came to when he heard that Michael whacked Sollozzo and McCluskey. Excellent points by the both of you! And if I may, I'd like to expand on what you've both said by adding that in the movie, when Vito is brought home from the hospital, he asks "where's Michael?" And when he is told that it was Michael that killed McCluskey and The Turk, we see a complete emotional mixture of disgust, distraught and disappointment come across his face followed by the waving of the hand signaling that everyone should now get out of his sight. Brando does a brilliant job in that scene conveying exactly what Puzo wrote in the novel and what you've both have said above, including Vito's belief that a man has but one destiny. At hearing that news it became an awful realization to Vito that it now applied to his son Michael. And Lilo, if I haven't already done so, let me welcome you to the boards. It looks as though we have another Godfather affecianato upon us and I am looking forward to future discsussions with you!
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