My mom & dad would be in agreement with you on this one Mignon as they both think John Wayne westerns are the end-all be-all of westerns.


I've seen some of John Waynes films the only one I can handle is Chisum. Other than that forget it, just can't sit through them they're plain/boring

John Wayne was great.

Well that maybe but John Wayne still couldn't hold a candle to Clint Eastwood.

I disagree with that. IMHO I would rater watch John Wayne. Clint's movies don't keep my attention.

I havn't seen many John Wayne films,but i would say he was the man. The "Godfather" of westerns.Clint is great also..

Wyatt Earp and Tombstone.

How dare you disagree with me on this.


But what you say about Clints films not keeping your attention, John Wayne's films have the exact same effect on me.

But if I'm watching a Clint western man I can't keep my eyes off the tv. If I have to leave the room I'll pause the tv or DVD player so I don't miss a thing. Even though I've seen all his westerns more than once.

I agree with Iceman completely about Clint vs. Wayne westerns. When I'm flipping through channels and see a Clint Eastwood western I can't change the channel! John Wayne on the other hand, while I give him credit for a great career, usually helps me fall asleep on the couch.

There is something about Clint Eastwood in a western that just makes me want to be a cowboy in the old west. Unforgiven is my all time favorite movie, but I enjoy all of the westerns I've seen him in.

Hey, pay respect to the Duke.

Or don't, fuck him.

But just know that unlike the Duke, Lee Marvin did serve his country in World War 2 in the Pacific and not be a Draft Deferent.

That's why Marvin is fucking awesome. He's a real tough man's man and he backed it up.

I can count more Eastwood westerns I like to watch compared to say Wayne westerns, but both have their quality works.

Across genres or just westerns?

Across genres.

It's far too good a movie for you to like it, Blibble!

I like a few great movies

There is a Clint movie I will watch from beginning to end. It's not a Western though. Heartbreak Ridge.

Back on topic.

JOE KIDD (1972) - ***

I can't believe that I actually never heard of this movie until weeks back. I mean, a Clint Eastwood western that I had not seen? I read more about it, and the credentials for JOE KIDD are ridiculously potent.

You have Clint in another western where he speaks little, is pretty cynical, and shoots a lot of people. The awesome Robert Duvall, in the same year of THE GODFATHER, is the villain. The director is John Sturges, who shotsuch seminal classics like THE GREAT ESCAPE and the remake THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN. The screenplay is penned by legendary crime/western writer Elmore Leonard.

I mean, with such great talent involved in the same movie, it's got to be good, right?

Anyway, JOE KIDD starts out really good, with Eastwood in jail. He's being arraigned at the courthouse when he is stuck between a rock and a hardplace as Mexican bandits wage war on Duvall the corrupt ranch-owner, who stole their land. Clint shoots a few of them up to save his own ass.

They respond by stealing his horses and beating the crap out of Eastwood's pal. He joins Duvall's vigilante posse to get his property back and kick some ass in retribution. Too bad he finds out too late that Duvall and his mercs are the wrong people to ride off with....

You've seen this movie before. Eastwood deals with some mean gunslingers with his wit and quick reflexes. Duvall is a greedy bastard who'll spill alot of blood to enforce his deed. There is the pretty femme fatale among the bandits that Clint falls for. Their Castro-esque leader (John Saxon) fights for a sympathetic cause, but what a total prick. The climax rains with bullets between Clint and the bad guys.

Hell, the third act where rancher Eastwood ends up escorting an outlaw to a point of destination for $1000 is a plot point recycled from Leonard's own short story "Three-Ten to Yuma," itself the basis for two movies.

I could complain about how movie's second half is too simplified for its own good or that Duvall's character is Clint-fodder, but you know what?

I don't care. JOE KIDD is a solidly entertaining western where for ninety minutes the cast works good, I got my action fix, and I had a good popcorn fun time. It's practically the ERASER of its day.

no country for old men was good, not as enjoyable as Fargo.

I thought about getting Once Upon a Time in the West, but was'nt sure if I would like it. But considering its got Claudia Cardinale in it, it don't matter!!

I say check it out, because its a great Sergio Leone classic masterpiece...but don't expect a shoot-em-up like his Eastwood pictures.

Just watch it, and take in the visuals and Morricone's mesmerizing score....because Once Upon a Time ago In The West.....

Has anyone here seen The Halleljuhah Trail?