GangsterBB.NET


Funko Pop! Movies:
The Godfather 50th Anniversary Collectors Set -
3 Figure Set: Michael, Vito, Sonny

Who's Online Now
3 registered members (Irishman12, mustachepete, VanillaLimeCoke), 358 guests, and 9 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Shout Box
Site Links
>Help Page
>More Smilies
>GBB on Facebook
>Job Saver

>Godfather Website
>Scarface Website
>Mario Puzo Website
NEW!
Active Member Birthdays
No birthdays today
Newest Members
TheGhost, Pumpkin, RussianCriminalWorld, JohnnyTheBat, Havana
10349 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
Irishman12 67,679
DE NIRO 44,945
J Geoff 31,285
Hollander 24,223
pizzaboy 23,296
SC 22,902
Turnbull 19,520
Mignon 19,066
Don Cardi 18,238
Sicilian Babe 17,300
plawrence 15,058
Forum Statistics
Forums21
Topics42,391
Posts1,060,027
Members10,349
Most Online796
Jan 21st, 2020
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
The 2 Millions finally got to the hotel, so... #405140
06/21/07 03:54 PM
06/21/07 03:54 PM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 295
ScarFather Offline OP
Capo
ScarFather  Offline OP
Capo
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 295
So.... why didnt Roth just send someone in and take it?

He obviously knew when it wasnt there and then knew when it was... he could have whacked Michael earlier and taken the money too...

What was he waiting for? For Michael to actually personally hand it over to him? Was he that "into" the whole chess match thing?


"What I want.... whats most important to me... is that I have a guarantee" - Train approaches.... Bang! Bang! Bang!
Re: The 2 Millions finally got to the hotel, so... [Re: ScarFather] #405142
06/21/07 03:57 PM
06/21/07 03:57 PM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 11,468
With Geary in Fredo's Brothel
dontomasso Offline
Consigliere to the Stars
dontomasso  Offline
Consigliere to the Stars

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 11,468
With Geary in Fredo's Brothel
 Originally Posted By: ScarFather
So.... why didnt Roth just send someone in and take it?



Did you see that mean looking body guard who was keeping an eye on Michael and his money? Are you kidding me?


"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"

"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."

"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."

Re: The 2 Millions finally got to the hotel, so... [Re: dontomasso] #405162
06/21/07 04:51 PM
06/21/07 04:51 PM
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 513
UK, Little old Rotherham near ...
Zaf-the-don Offline
Capo di tutti i capi
Zaf-the-don  Offline
Capo di tutti i capi
Underboss
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 513
UK, Little old Rotherham near ...
It could also have been pride on Roths part, that he was more powerful then mike and wanted mike to give him the money personally to show he was the top dog.

Re: The 2 Millions finally got to the hotel, so... [Re: ScarFather] #405220
06/21/07 06:49 PM
06/21/07 06:49 PM
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,520
AZ
Turnbull Offline
Turnbull  Offline

Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,520
AZ
Short answer: Filmic device. Of course Roth could have had Michael (and the bodyguard--formidable as he looked, he was only one man) whacked the moment he stepped off the plane in Cuba. Or he could have had his pals in the Cuban government arrange to grab the money (at Customs) as soon as Fredo stepped off the plane. But that would have deprived us of the supremely satisfying cat-and-mouse game he and Michael played out, to our everlasting pleasure.
Longer answer: Roth needed to have Michael hand over the money to provide him with an alibi and longer-term insurance once Michael was whacked. As I said in another thread: the birthday party scene was designed to provide Roth with an alibi in case Michael's successors started asking questions once he turned up dead (or was missing): "Hey, I loved the kid like my own son. I was gonna turn over everything to him. Just ask those fat thugs who were at my birthday party..."
Also, simply overwhelming Michael and/or having his money confiscated would be equally damning for Roth. I believe he intended for Batista's secret police (SIM) to attack the military car that was going to take Michael back to his hotel after the party, and kill everyone inside the car--making it look like the rebels did it, not knowing that a gringo was in the car with Batista's soldiers. Then Roth could have said, "Gosh, I'm really sorry about this...looks like poor Michael's a victim of the rebels."


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: The 2 Millions finally got to the hotel, so... [Re: Turnbull] #405513
06/22/07 03:04 PM
06/22/07 03:04 PM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 11,468
With Geary in Fredo's Brothel
dontomasso Offline
Consigliere to the Stars
dontomasso  Offline
Consigliere to the Stars

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 11,468
With Geary in Fredo's Brothel
 Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Then Roth could have said, "Gosh, I'm really sorry about this...looks like poor Michael's a victim of the rebels."


He would have done that really melancholy tone he could summon and he would say, "On my birthday I told him not to worry about those rebels....how I wish I could take that back now that he is gone."


"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"

"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."

"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."

Re: The 2 Millions finally got to the hotel, so... [Re: dontomasso] #405534
06/22/07 05:55 PM
06/22/07 05:55 PM
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 17,300
New York
Sicilian Babe Offline
Sicilian Babe  Offline

Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 17,300
New York
"I'd give back the two million to see him again, oh, and to be able to take a piss again without it hurting."


President Emeritus of the Neal Pulcawer Fan Club
Re: The 2 Millions finally got to the hotel, so... [Re: Sicilian Babe] #405987
06/24/07 10:14 AM
06/24/07 10:14 AM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 168
W
wtwt5237 Offline
Made Member
wtwt5237  Offline
W
Made Member
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 168
But it seemed Micheal was sure about his safety when he observed Roth's birthday and a while back when he approached Roth's house in America. A little strange? Don't you think

Last edited by wtwt5237; 06/24/07 10:15 AM.

One has only one destiny, he cannot choose it.
Re: The 2 Millions finally got to the hotel, so... [Re: wtwt5237] #406004
06/24/07 10:52 AM
06/24/07 10:52 AM
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,520
AZ
Turnbull Offline
Turnbull  Offline

Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,520
AZ
Michael seemed certain of two things: that Roth wouldn't move against him until he got the $2 million; and later, that Rth wouldn't try to whack him until after he left the Presidential palace. So he figured that if he struck first, he'd be ok. He also arranged for a private plane to take him out of Havana, which was a good move.


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: The 2 Millions finally got to the hotel, so... [Re: Turnbull] #406309
06/25/07 10:55 AM
06/25/07 10:55 AM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 295
ScarFather Offline OP
Capo
ScarFather  Offline OP
Capo
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 295
 Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Michael seemed certain of two things: that Roth wouldn't move against him until he got the $2 million; and later, that Rth wouldn't try to whack him until after he left the Presidential palace. So he figured that if he struck first, he'd be ok. He also arranged for a private plane to take him out of Havana, which was a good move.


Ok... but Roth really had no bodyguard protection...(especially, alone in his bed when deadman walking goes to suffocate him)... he never thought that Mike would strike before leaving after New Years Eve party?


"What I want.... whats most important to me... is that I have a guarantee" - Train approaches.... Bang! Bang! Bang!
Re: The 2 Millions finally got to the hotel, so... [Re: ScarFather] #406312
06/25/07 11:08 AM
06/25/07 11:08 AM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 168
W
wtwt5237 Offline
Made Member
wtwt5237  Offline
W
Made Member
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 168
Maybe he underestimated Micheal too much. He might think Micheal had not figured out his true enemy and the whole thing was totally under his commands.


One has only one destiny, he cannot choose it.
Re: The 2 Millions finally got to the hotel, so... [Re: wtwt5237] #406610
06/25/07 08:45 PM
06/25/07 08:45 PM
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,520
AZ
Turnbull Offline
Turnbull  Offline

Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,520
AZ
 Originally Posted By: wtwt5237
Maybe he underestimated Micheal too much.

Yes! A subtheme running through the entire Trilogy is how people underestimate each other and suffer the consequences. Vito underestimated Sollozzo. Sollozzo underestimated Michael. Tom underestimated Carlo. Geary underestimated Michael. Roth and Michael underestimated each other several times, which adds to the complexity of their scenes together.


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.

Moderated by  Don Cardi, J Geoff, SC, Turnbull 

Powered by UBB.threads™